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<blockquote data-quote="Axiomatic Unicorn" data-source="post: 80712" data-attributes="member: 1974">At the risk of sounding like a broken record, I don't even have any vehemence against the CR system.&nbsp; It doesn't work well for anythign more than basic gaming unless you do a lot of modifying.&nbsp; OK, no big deal.&nbsp; Toss it aside because I don't need it.No harm, no foul.&nbsp; The topic came up, and I stated my position.I do have some vehemence against people who BOTH say I am wrong AND don't make the slightest effort to establish it.&nbsp; The CR topic is almost secondary.&nbsp; Make no mistake, I enjoy toying with people who make illogical statements.&nbsp; If I was not having fun, I would not spend my time on the boards.&nbsp; (BTW, I am not counting you in the illogical group, you joined in after that point.&nbsp; I don't think you have demonstrated that the CR system works, but the focus of our debate has been a bit different.&nbsp; You have been both rational and reasonable)(at this point I am literally chuckling)Fair enough, and it may have been misleading for me to bring the whole circumstance angle into it.&nbsp; Neither have I.&nbsp; But my point remains, strictly speaking you should not have to gauge it.&nbsp; If you use the CR system, most of the time you should be able to just run some simple math and have the CR.&nbsp; If you have to gauge it every time, then what is the point in having a system that claims to tell you the answer.&nbsp; Even when the system is correct, you have to do a quick judegment to make certain.&nbsp; If the CR system does not save you the effort of making that judgement, what is it saving you?Everyone seems to agree that CRs are an art not a science.&nbsp; So why have I got a bunch of math formulas?Based on your comments, I get the feeling that you don't REALLY use the CRs any more than I do.&nbsp; You may use them as a baseline, but then you make your own assessment as to the real CR each time.&nbsp; You may decide the CR was right, but you assess it.&nbsp; Then&nbsp; you run the numbers through the DMG experience tables.&nbsp; The DMG experience tables are very nice.&nbsp; I like them.&nbsp; I prefer a slower advancement, but that is no big deal.&nbsp; (after all, the prescribed advancement rate is disposable <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> )&nbsp; But I don't think you rely on the CR system to give you the right answer.&nbsp; Mostly, you rely on your judgement to accurately &quot;gauge it&quot;.Which is what I do.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Axiomatic Unicorn, post: 80712, member: 1974"] At the risk of sounding like a broken record, I don't even have any vehemence against the CR system. It doesn't work well for anythign more than basic gaming unless you do a lot of modifying. OK, no big deal. Toss it aside because I don't need it. No harm, no foul. The topic came up, and I stated my position. I do have some vehemence against people who BOTH say I am wrong AND don't make the slightest effort to establish it. The CR topic is almost secondary. Make no mistake, I enjoy toying with people who make illogical statements. If I was not having fun, I would not spend my time on the boards. (BTW, I am not counting you in the illogical group, you joined in after that point. I don't think you have demonstrated that the CR system works, but the focus of our debate has been a bit different. You have been both rational and reasonable) (at this point I am literally chuckling) Fair enough, and it may have been misleading for me to bring the whole circumstance angle into it. Neither have I. But my point remains, strictly speaking you should not have to gauge it. If you use the CR system, most of the time you should be able to just run some simple math and have the CR. If you have to gauge it every time, then what is the point in having a system that claims to tell you the answer. Even when the system is correct, you have to do a quick judegment to make certain. If the CR system does not save you the effort of making that judgement, what is it saving you? Everyone seems to agree that CRs are an art not a science. So why have I got a bunch of math formulas? Based on your comments, I get the feeling that you don't REALLY use the CRs any more than I do. You may use them as a baseline, but then you make your own assessment as to the real CR each time. You may decide the CR was right, but you assess it. Then you run the numbers through the DMG experience tables. The DMG experience tables are very nice. I like them. I prefer a slower advancement, but that is no big deal. (after all, the prescribed advancement rate is disposable :) ) But I don't think you rely on the CR system to give you the right answer. Mostly, you rely on your judgement to accurately "gauge it". Which is what I do. [/QUOTE]

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