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<blockquote data-quote="Man in the Funny Hat" data-source="post: 3777371" data-attributes="member: 32740">The poll provides only results of two extremes.&nbsp; Either the players get ALL control, or the DM gets ALL control by having the final word.&nbsp; It's just not that simple.Firstly, some will depend on just how the 4E system changes things.&nbsp; Stat determination may not hold the same level of importance.Second, there is an astonishing level of self-deception about stats these days.&nbsp; They are perceived as, or at least treated as if they might be, the be-all/end-all, the make-or-break element of the character and the game, and that's just not true.Third, with or without their misconceptions people place different emphasis on what they want their method of character creation to actually DO for them.&nbsp; Some want it to cater to ABSOLUTE player control of character creation and min/maxing.&nbsp; Some want it to simply MANDATE absolute equity among players [God forbid anyone should EVER have more fun than ME].&nbsp; Some actually want to REMOVE a degree of player control in order to facilitate the DM's overall control of power levels in the game.&nbsp; Some want to remove a degree of player control in order to spark player creativity or facilitate seeing more variety among characters of the same class.The fact that there is a HUGE variety of character generation methods right now is proof in and of itself that one size just does not fit all.&nbsp; Unless the system is designed to work with one and ONLY one method any default method that is provided will IMMEDIATELY be changed for something that accomodates individual preferences - just like it is now.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Man in the Funny Hat, post: 3777371, member: 32740"] The poll provides only results of two extremes. Either the players get ALL control, or the DM gets ALL control by having the final word. It's just not that simple. Firstly, some will depend on just how the 4E system changes things. Stat determination may not hold the same level of importance. Second, there is an astonishing level of self-deception about stats these days. They are perceived as, or at least treated as if they might be, the be-all/end-all, the make-or-break element of the character and the game, and that's just not true. Third, with or without their misconceptions people place different emphasis on what they want their method of character creation to actually DO for them. Some want it to cater to ABSOLUTE player control of character creation and min/maxing. Some want it to simply MANDATE absolute equity among players [God forbid anyone should EVER have more fun than ME]. Some actually want to REMOVE a degree of player control in order to facilitate the DM's overall control of power levels in the game. Some want to remove a degree of player control in order to spark player creativity or facilitate seeing more variety among characters of the same class. The fact that there is a HUGE variety of character generation methods right now is proof in and of itself that one size just does not fit all. Unless the system is designed to work with one and ONLY one method any default method that is provided will IMMEDIATELY be changed for something that accomodates individual preferences - [I]just like it is now[/I]. [/QUOTE]

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