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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Janx" data-source="post: 5985141" data-attributes="member: 8835">I'm not so sure.  In reading your last response, you implied a fairly direct connection to gaming group = friends.  And that kicking them out fo the gaming group was akin to kicking out a friend.Whereas WB has been trying to say that being in the gaming group or not doesn't affect his friendships.I don't play like WB does.  But I get where he's coming from.  There can be a more moderate adaptation of the principle he's trying to set forth.Obviously, Morrus and WB have differing ideas on WHY the gaming group exists and what it is there to achieve.While everybody I game with is a friend (good rule to have), when we are here to game, we game.  It is a team sport.  Everybody is expected to contribute, pay attention, participate, and show up.While some socializing occurs at a gaming event, that's a side effect of humans getting together at any kind of event.  If I just wanted to purely socialize, we'd do a purely social event, where the expectations are more lax.Somebody showing up late or no-showing signals a problem.  If it's a rare thing, no big deal.  If it's always the same person, there's your suspect.It's also worth noting that there can be cultural differences (not just internationally, but even regionally).  I am from the North.  We value time.  As the saying goes, "To be early is to be on time.  To be on time is to be late, to be late is unforgivable."  There's variations of it, but more folks from Yankee states were raised that way, than folks in southern states.So much so that folks from the north can percieve folks from the south as constantly late and not taking time seriously (that's a polite way of saying lazy).  I had one boss from a southern state tell me that he preferred to hire northerners because we acted with a sense of urgency.  There's a reason New Yorkers are associated with always being on the move.Couple that with the psychological behavior as chronic tardiness, which can be attributed to the person unconciously trying to exert control over other people by making them wait.the point then is, the late person is sending a message to the rest of the group.  That message might vary, based on the background of the reciever, but the sender has some culpability in not thinking about their actions and the impact on the group.I think WB's rule is his group saying, when you do X, we hear Y, and here is our pre-programmed response.  Rather than leaving it to chance on how the group will react or silently suffer, they declare in bold words, "show up, or don't play."Note entirely how I'd do it, but I get it.</blockquote>

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