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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Abraxas" data-source="post: 1520643" data-attributes="member: 1266">Wow, away for a day and everyone chimes in - <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" />  Because multiple people have said similar things I'm going to lump them together and respond . . . I DM the higher level group - well when the group starts to get to level 10 or so, the other DM wants to start DMing again.  I just think he doesn't like those levels as a player or as a DM.  Also, this option is not terribly satisfying to me because I really want to play my own character at those levels not just DM NPCs. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f641.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":(" title="Frown    :("  data-smilie="3"data-shortname=":(" />  We have too many options - I tend to agree (this is why I am having so much trouble deciding what to play, there are just so many possibilities it boggggles my mind).  But really most of us stick to the PHB and the 1 or 2 of the other sources. High Level is Complicated for the DM - Generally, but we're not really "problem" players.  In fact we really never had any of the "problems" that caused WoTC to revise a bunch of things for 3.5 - we just don't abuse the rules like that.  We didn't have insane save DCs for our spells (mine were 15 + spell level, the wizards were 15 or 17 + spell level depending on school) and our ACs ranged from the high teens to the mid/high 20's (we got hit alot).  We never used the all day Buff Banquet Lack of Party Cooperation - This had been one of the most cooperative parties our gaming group has had to date.  Everyone discussed their characters ahead of time and we were very careful not to step on each others schtick.  Our group consisted of a Cleric/Divine Disciple/Contemplative of Hathor (me - geared toward defense and healing), a Wizard, a Paladin/Sorcerer, a Barbarian/Ranger/Flame Steward, a Druid, a Fighter/Rogue/Deepwoods Sniper, and a Fighter/Rogue.  We actually had great nights at the bar developing combat fire teams, a buddy system when things got hairy, determining who would take lead in various RP situations, designating who would direct combat based on involvement and effectiveness, etc, etc . . . we worked like a well oiled machine - I'm getting geeked writing this, man we had FUN <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/laugh.png"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing    :lol:" data-shortname=":lol:" /> . . . DM Player Adversary - Maybe a little.  A while back I posted some questions about a white dragon with pink double pupils.  Turns out he was some sort of fiendish or half fiendish white dragon.  He was working for/with priests of Auril and some frost giants.  These folks were using us to collect 5 objects that when worn changed the wearer into the Champion of Auril.  We kept getting out maneuvered and had ended up supplying them with 3 of the items.  They were threatening our character's families and as a Cleric of Hathor I had a mad on about stopping them (but thats just me - I really get in to my characters - the DM knows this and uses it to push my buttons when we play so it isn't just one sided).  It was an anti-climactic climax in which the dragon , the high priestess and the almost champion bit the big one (apparently this dragon is actually written up in the Silver Marches supplement) - we didn't get a scratch and weren't even breathing hard although we were so tense you would have thought we were playing russian roulette. Players not Supplying Adventure Hooks - This is a diffence in DMing style between he and I - I like to create adventures based on what the players do, he creates adventures and puts the hook out for us to take.  He is getting Much Much better though so we'll see how this next campaign goes. Ultimately I just wanna flex my gaming muscles and try levels 13 to 20 (even I don't wanna play epic levels <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> ). Of course with my luck, this run will get to those levels and I won't be able to play Grymjak and I still won't be able to cast spells greater than 6th level :\  cause right now that dwarven barbarian/battlerager sounds really entertaining (although the ranger/rogue still sounds good too <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/devious.png"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":]" title="Devious    :]" data-shortname=":]" /> ) There is another problem with the group that I can't seem to break them of - because everyone is familiar with FR it is almost impossible to get them to try any other setting or style of setting - Its the only setting that the other DM runs and everyone except me expects that setting style whenever anyone else DMs.</blockquote>

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