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I just don't see why they even bothered with the Sword Coast Adventurer's Guide.
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<blockquote data-quote="BryonD" data-source="post: 6756362" data-attributes="member: 957"><p>I said they got people to buy the books and that is why they did it. What is your point with repeating my point as if it contradicts me?</p><p></p><p></p><p>Who cares what you call it? I love new editions. </p><p>You, however, are playing bait and switch with the vague concept of "new edition" against an implication of burn-out or some kind of business failure.</p><p>Huge success can (and did) drive the change just as much as failure can.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Don't know. Don't care.</p><p>But I do wonder why you are comparing PF to 2001 DND in one breath when were insisting that they are completely new entities in the prior breath.</p><p></p><p>I think that 5E and PF are sharing the marketplace. I think 5E has a clear edge, but PF is holding REALLY well.</p><p></p><p>Maybe so. But we will never know. People were massively turned off by 4E BEFORE the first "iteration" was released. It was a very common refrain to slam people for judging 4E before they saw the finished product. (The fact that the previews provided enough for what turned out to be quite accurate assessments didn't seem to matter). Does a bad business model really hurt a bad product? </p><p></p><p></p><p>But again, I'm not interested in the 4E side. It came, it went. If you want to call 3.5 an "edition" knock yourself out. There is certainly enough ambiguity in that term to fit your usage. But if you start abusing that ambiguity to draw equivalence between two wildly different scenarios the your analysis becomes fundamentally flawed. The "lack of great success" may have been present and associated with one or more instances of "new edition", but that does not establish that all "new editions" (particularly when we are stretching to fit that term) need to have "lack of great success" as part of their cycle.</p><p></p><p>Lastly, I know you want to paint me as mindlessly entrenched in some kind of 3E litmus test thing. It makes it easy for you to portray lack of enthusiasm for 4E as being unrelated to the actual merits of 4E itself. You are wrong. I like 3E because it is a great game for delivering what I want. I like GURPS. I like Gumshoe. I've been playing 5E pretty much exclusively since it came out. Yes, I think 3E is one of the best sets to come out in, ever. But I don't like or dislike in any way because of 3E. I like 3E because it is a good game. I like 5E because it is a good game.</p><p>You making it be about 3E is just your views forcing you to put the cart before the horse.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="BryonD, post: 6756362, member: 957"] I said they got people to buy the books and that is why they did it. What is your point with repeating my point as if it contradicts me? Who cares what you call it? I love new editions. You, however, are playing bait and switch with the vague concept of "new edition" against an implication of burn-out or some kind of business failure. Huge success can (and did) drive the change just as much as failure can. Don't know. Don't care. But I do wonder why you are comparing PF to 2001 DND in one breath when were insisting that they are completely new entities in the prior breath. I think that 5E and PF are sharing the marketplace. I think 5E has a clear edge, but PF is holding REALLY well. Maybe so. But we will never know. People were massively turned off by 4E BEFORE the first "iteration" was released. It was a very common refrain to slam people for judging 4E before they saw the finished product. (The fact that the previews provided enough for what turned out to be quite accurate assessments didn't seem to matter). Does a bad business model really hurt a bad product? But again, I'm not interested in the 4E side. It came, it went. If you want to call 3.5 an "edition" knock yourself out. There is certainly enough ambiguity in that term to fit your usage. But if you start abusing that ambiguity to draw equivalence between two wildly different scenarios the your analysis becomes fundamentally flawed. The "lack of great success" may have been present and associated with one or more instances of "new edition", but that does not establish that all "new editions" (particularly when we are stretching to fit that term) need to have "lack of great success" as part of their cycle. Lastly, I know you want to paint me as mindlessly entrenched in some kind of 3E litmus test thing. It makes it easy for you to portray lack of enthusiasm for 4E as being unrelated to the actual merits of 4E itself. You are wrong. I like 3E because it is a great game for delivering what I want. I like GURPS. I like Gumshoe. I've been playing 5E pretty much exclusively since it came out. Yes, I think 3E is one of the best sets to come out in, ever. But I don't like or dislike in any way because of 3E. I like 3E because it is a good game. I like 5E because it is a good game. You making it be about 3E is just your views forcing you to put the cart before the horse. [/QUOTE]
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