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I just don't see why they even bothered with the Sword Coast Adventurer's Guide.
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<blockquote data-quote="Alzrius" data-source="post: 6759896" data-attributes="member: 8461"><p>Incorrect. It's what's most relevant by far.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>No, it wasn't. What happened between the patron and the company was the patron paying to fund a project.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Which isn't what happens with Kickstarter projects.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>You still haven't proven that something that's taxed as income necessarily indicates that the transaction was a retail purchase. Without making that correlation (which you're not able to make) your entire tangent of "but the tax code!" doesn't hold water. If you have to admit that there's an exception, due to other instances of giving money and receiving something for it in return, then your entire argument falls apart.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>See above. The method of taxation does not necessarily indicate the type of transaction that took place. We know this to be true, because (as already noted) there are other types of "money for stuff" transactions that are not taxed as income. Not that that matters, because the taxation on funding does not, unto itself, make the platform a retail outlet.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>No, you don't. You're not "buying" anything. You're receiving a reward in exchange for having funded something else.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>False equivalence. I'm not the one relying on legal jargon to try and make a crowd-funding platform into a retailer.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>No, not as far as the state is concerned. The state is only concerned with how much money you've earned and how much of that they get. That doesn't mean that they're classifying the type of outlet where the transaction took place. You can't seem to follow that particular point.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yes, it does. You previously admitted that they weren't a retail outlet via saying that they were facilitating employment contracts; that's different from a store that sells products. If you commission something from someone, that person does not become your employee.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>In neither case do they actually work for you, the way you're asserting that the companies that use Kickstarter become employed by the people who fund them.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>No, by definition the companies using the platform do not (and cannot) engage in retailing.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>There's so many "Lara Croft, Fund Raider" jokes that I don't know where to begin. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite8" alt=":D" title="Big grin :D" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":D" /></p><p></p><p>That said, they do this by having individuals fund them, and while they might offer rewards in return for this, no retail sales are taking place. Even if they are entering into a legal contract to provide those rewards at a later date, that's still not the same as a retail sale.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Which is you moving the goalposts, since you were citing the "legal definition of a pre-order" before. </p><p></p><p>As it is, a "purchase order" is simply a contract regarding a fiscal transaction, and does not classify either party as being a "retailer" per se.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Except that they're not "selling" anything, since no sales are taking place. Likewise, this does not change the existing distribution model since by the time rewards are delivered it is no longer possible to acquire anything from Kickstarter anyway. So by the time stores would receive those products (if they ever were), Kickstarter is self-evidently not an alternative venue.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Alzrius, post: 6759896, member: 8461"] Incorrect. It's what's most relevant by far. No, it wasn't. What happened between the patron and the company was the patron paying to fund a project. Which isn't what happens with Kickstarter projects. You still haven't proven that something that's taxed as income necessarily indicates that the transaction was a retail purchase. Without making that correlation (which you're not able to make) your entire tangent of "but the tax code!" doesn't hold water. If you have to admit that there's an exception, due to other instances of giving money and receiving something for it in return, then your entire argument falls apart. See above. The method of taxation does not necessarily indicate the type of transaction that took place. We know this to be true, because (as already noted) there are other types of "money for stuff" transactions that are not taxed as income. Not that that matters, because the taxation on funding does not, unto itself, make the platform a retail outlet. No, you don't. You're not "buying" anything. You're receiving a reward in exchange for having funded something else. False equivalence. I'm not the one relying on legal jargon to try and make a crowd-funding platform into a retailer. No, not as far as the state is concerned. The state is only concerned with how much money you've earned and how much of that they get. That doesn't mean that they're classifying the type of outlet where the transaction took place. You can't seem to follow that particular point. Yes, it does. You previously admitted that they weren't a retail outlet via saying that they were facilitating employment contracts; that's different from a store that sells products. If you commission something from someone, that person does not become your employee. In neither case do they actually work for you, the way you're asserting that the companies that use Kickstarter become employed by the people who fund them. No, by definition the companies using the platform do not (and cannot) engage in retailing. There's so many "Lara Croft, Fund Raider" jokes that I don't know where to begin. :D That said, they do this by having individuals fund them, and while they might offer rewards in return for this, no retail sales are taking place. Even if they are entering into a legal contract to provide those rewards at a later date, that's still not the same as a retail sale. Which is you moving the goalposts, since you were citing the "legal definition of a pre-order" before. As it is, a "purchase order" is simply a contract regarding a fiscal transaction, and does not classify either party as being a "retailer" per se. Except that they're not "selling" anything, since no sales are taking place. Likewise, this does not change the existing distribution model since by the time rewards are delivered it is no longer possible to acquire anything from Kickstarter anyway. So by the time stores would receive those products (if they ever were), Kickstarter is self-evidently not an alternative venue. [/QUOTE]
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