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<blockquote data-quote="Alaxk Knight of Galt" data-source="post: 5305550" data-attributes="member: 4129">Let me put on my DM hat for a moment<ol>
<li data-xf-list-type="ol">Nothing wrong with killing PCs.&nbsp; Adventuring is deadly.</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ol">Nothing wrong with throwing hard encounters at the party.&nbsp; They failed a skill challenge and elected to go toe-to-toe with the bad guys.&nbsp; The party could have just as easily backed off and tried a new plan.&nbsp; Instead, they elected to fight.</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ol">Nothing wrong with making mistakes with the rules.&nbsp; It happens and it looks like you tried to error on the side of the PCs (more then fair).</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ol">Nothing here fails the &quot;what would I as a PC do&quot; test.&nbsp; If a monster kept standing up after I knocked it down, I'd use a coup de grâce to kill it (did you know that coup de grâce means mercy blow in french, thanks Wikipedia).&nbsp; If it was my PC's goal to keep some monsters from disturbing my 100 foot tall fortress (and I was playing an evil PC), I might throw an unconscious monster off of it as an example.</li>
</ol>If this had been my game, I'd have felt no qualms about the PC dying twice.&nbsp; The party failed as a whole, but the most obvious example of that failure was the death of the PC.&nbsp; Instead of getting upset at a GM, the players should have a look at why they collectively failed.<ol>
<li data-xf-list-type="ol">Where was the leader when a party member was in obvious need of help.&nbsp; If someone goes down in one of our games, a great effort is made to get them back up.&nbsp; </li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ol">Did the PC attempt to use any second winds or healing potions after regaining consciousness from the regen.&nbsp; Did the PC consider &quot;playing dead&quot; or did they stand up and heroicly confront the enemies again.&nbsp; </li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ol">Where was the defender.&nbsp; Part of the defender's job is to protect fallen allies as well.</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ol">Why did no one on the ground say &quot;let's catch our falling friend.&quot;&nbsp; I'd have allowed some sort of heroic effort to save the falling PC, if someone had thought of it.</li>
</ol>I'd stand by your choices and challenge the players to be better adventures.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Alaxk Knight of Galt, post: 5305550, member: 4129"] Let me put on my DM hat for a moment [LIST=1] [*]Nothing wrong with killing PCs. Adventuring is deadly. [*]Nothing wrong with throwing hard encounters at the party. They failed a skill challenge and elected to go toe-to-toe with the bad guys. The party could have just as easily backed off and tried a new plan. Instead, they elected to fight. [*]Nothing wrong with making mistakes with the rules. It happens and it looks like you tried to error on the side of the PCs (more then fair). [*]Nothing here fails the "what would I as a PC do" test. If a monster kept standing up after I knocked it down, I'd use a coup de grâce to kill it (did you know that coup de grâce means mercy blow in french, thanks Wikipedia). If it was my PC's goal to keep some monsters from disturbing my 100 foot tall fortress (and I was playing an evil PC), I might throw an unconscious monster off of it as an example. [/LIST] If this had been my game, I'd have felt no qualms about the PC dying twice. The party failed as a whole, but the most obvious example of that failure was the death of the PC. Instead of getting upset at a GM, the players should have a look at why they collectively failed. [LIST=1] [*]Where was the leader when a party member was in obvious need of help. If someone goes down in one of our games, a great effort is made to get them back up. [*]Did the PC attempt to use any second winds or healing potions after regaining consciousness from the regen. Did the PC consider "playing dead" or did they stand up and heroicly confront the enemies again. [*]Where was the defender. Part of the defender's job is to protect fallen allies as well. [*]Why did no one on the ground say "let's catch our falling friend." I'd have allowed some sort of heroic effort to save the falling PC, if someone had thought of it. [/LIST] I'd stand by your choices and challenge the players to be better adventures. [/QUOTE]

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