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<blockquote data-quote="Alaxk Knight of Galt" data-source="post: 5306637" data-attributes="member: 4129">Sadly, this is true.&nbsp; PCs are used to winning and have been conditioned by the game system to believe that any encounter is winable.&nbsp; This should be violently beaten out of the players' minds.&nbsp; I think we get into some stylistic differences here.&nbsp; I rarely think it's the DM's job to suggest a course of action.The tactic change here was justified.&nbsp; The Incubi were repeatedly unsuccessful in throwing the PC off the tower.&nbsp; Instead, they knocked out the PC then threw her off the tower.&nbsp; Seems a reasonable change in tactics to me.The First DeathIn light of the party make up and player actions, I'm happy pinning the first death on the party and player.&nbsp; The PC could and should have used different tactics after regenerating back to consciousness.&nbsp; If the PC is going to keep swinging away, they need to accept the consequences of being heroic instead of prudent.The Tower TossThe only thing I question was the tower toss after downing the PC.&nbsp; While the incubi have shown that was their preferred tactic (and because of that, I have no qualms about the DM doing just this), keeping the victim with them in the tower might have been in character for them (especially if the PC was female).&nbsp; There are fates worse then death.&nbsp; For example....Incubus Replacement PC:&nbsp; The incubus has a change shape ability.&nbsp; I would have used it (with the PC's permission) to replace the last PC.&nbsp; The real PC would have been captured by the remaining incubi.&nbsp; The party will now have to figure out that one of their members is a demon and mount a rescue attempt.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Alaxk Knight of Galt, post: 5306637, member: 4129"] Sadly, this is true. PCs are used to winning and have been conditioned by the game system to believe that any encounter is winable. This should be violently beaten out of the players' minds. I think we get into some stylistic differences here. I rarely think it's the DM's job to suggest a course of action. The tactic change here was justified. The Incubi were repeatedly unsuccessful in throwing the PC off the tower. Instead, they knocked out the PC then threw her off the tower. Seems a reasonable change in tactics to me. [B]The First Death[/B] In light of the party make up and player actions, I'm happy pinning the first death on the party and player. The PC could and should have used different tactics after regenerating back to consciousness. If the PC is going to keep swinging away, they need to accept the consequences of being heroic instead of prudent. [B]The Tower Toss[/B] The only thing I question was the tower toss after downing the PC. While the incubi have shown that was their preferred tactic (and because of that, I have no qualms about the DM doing just this), keeping the victim with them in the tower might have been in character for them (especially if the PC was female). There are fates worse then death. For example.... Incubus Replacement PC: The incubus has a change shape ability. I would have used it (with the PC's permission) to replace the last PC. The real PC would have been captured by the remaining incubi. The party will now have to figure out that one of their members is a demon and mount a rescue attempt. [/QUOTE]

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