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<blockquote data-quote="KRT" data-source="post: 2660077" data-attributes="member: 37355"><p>The power of the character is not the problem. The DMing is not a problem. The problem is that one player is doing something that makes at least one other player's experience not enjoyable. Calling that player Cheese Weasil does not properly address the problem, in fact frames it more in the sense of a joke. It may actually encourage even greater levels of that behaviour. He may strive for Lord of the Cheese weasils. I think that even his behaviour was not the only issue, just the most annoying one. You need to talk to the DM and then he needs to talk to the players about the challenge level of the campaign. Does the party want a campaign that is more dangerous and that contains very real risk to the characters, or not? Once this is determined then each player needs to decide if this is the kind of campaign that they want to play in. If not they need to find a more suited campaign. The second problem is the challenging the DM in regards to rules. The DM has final say, even when its clearly against a rule. The DM has final say and bears responsibility for it. If its a campaign ender then so be it. Forcing a DM to follow a ruleslawyering will not fix anything but the momentary situation and makes for a bad precedent. </p><p></p><p>I tend to be a bit of a rules lawyer myself, however I give my interpretations of a ruling and support it with whatever sources I know and then let the DM decide ("this is my interpretation of rule X and its supported by such and such an article on the WoTC site, however it doesn't mean its the only possible way to run this situation. I will follow whatever your ruling is."). So cheese weasil needs to tone it down or learn to back off once he's had his moment and the DM rules on it. He needs to be told his behaviour is not welcome by both DM and players. And it needs to be done in a way that doesn't provoke defensiveness and resentment.</p><p></p><p>I saw a similar thing on this thread with the interchange between you and Doomed Battalions. And if this was a campaign and group I wanted to stay with I would have addressed Doomed Battalions about easing up a bit and trying to be a bit more helpful/constructive in the situation.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="KRT, post: 2660077, member: 37355"] The power of the character is not the problem. The DMing is not a problem. The problem is that one player is doing something that makes at least one other player's experience not enjoyable. Calling that player Cheese Weasil does not properly address the problem, in fact frames it more in the sense of a joke. It may actually encourage even greater levels of that behaviour. He may strive for Lord of the Cheese weasils. I think that even his behaviour was not the only issue, just the most annoying one. You need to talk to the DM and then he needs to talk to the players about the challenge level of the campaign. Does the party want a campaign that is more dangerous and that contains very real risk to the characters, or not? Once this is determined then each player needs to decide if this is the kind of campaign that they want to play in. If not they need to find a more suited campaign. The second problem is the challenging the DM in regards to rules. The DM has final say, even when its clearly against a rule. The DM has final say and bears responsibility for it. If its a campaign ender then so be it. Forcing a DM to follow a ruleslawyering will not fix anything but the momentary situation and makes for a bad precedent. I tend to be a bit of a rules lawyer myself, however I give my interpretations of a ruling and support it with whatever sources I know and then let the DM decide ("this is my interpretation of rule X and its supported by such and such an article on the WoTC site, however it doesn't mean its the only possible way to run this situation. I will follow whatever your ruling is."). So cheese weasil needs to tone it down or learn to back off once he's had his moment and the DM rules on it. He needs to be told his behaviour is not welcome by both DM and players. And it needs to be done in a way that doesn't provoke defensiveness and resentment. I saw a similar thing on this thread with the interchange between you and Doomed Battalions. And if this was a campaign and group I wanted to stay with I would have addressed Doomed Battalions about easing up a bit and trying to be a bit more helpful/constructive in the situation. [/QUOTE]
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