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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Desdichado" data-source="post: 1763996" data-attributes="member: 2205">No, I haven't.  I still haven't after reading your post.You're a real piece of work, there arnwyn.  In the movies forum, you made a similar accusation out of the blue, and when I asked you what you were talking about, I didn't hear anything back for a week or two that I continued to check that thread for updates.  This isn't about your little cult of personality thing, this is about what you say standing or falling on its own merits.  And I think what you said falls spectactularly.  What you said, in the context that the question was asked, can only be construed as "d20 as a broad system is unsuited to anything futuristic."  That's absurd.  And it's quite something, the little coup you pulled off; "see, when he blows apart my ridiculous statements, it's just because he's an arrogant ass that ignores stuff he doesn't like!"  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f644.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":rolleyes:" title="Roll eyes    :rolleyes:"  data-smilie="11"data-shortname=":rolleyes:" />Severely limited?  Uh, have you read the d20 Modern classes?  They are as open and generic as you can get, and you can multiclass freely and without penalty, and are in fact, encouraged to do so!  Not only that, you can use (or create) any class that you want -- if you don't like the Modern ones, you've got the T20 classes, for instance, you could use instead.  How in the world is this a future specific limitation?  If it's a limitation at all (which I don't at all believe it to be) it's true for fantasy, modern, horror, Renaissance, or whatever other "time period" you claim to want to play in, not just for future.Are you serious?  That doesn't even have anything to do whatsoever with your claim that d20 is fundamentally unsuitable for futuristic gaming.  That's a complete non sequiter and has no business even being in the discussion.  Disregarding for the moment how easy it is to use some other d20 variant of that, or house rule it yourself.Yet it has the same (or very similar) effects as pretty much every other system.  And what, pray tell, are these great effects supposed to be anyway?  People are still pretty much just people regardless of when they live.  Technology has very little effect on that other that in general people are healthier and better nourished.Well, actually, no, you didn't.  I mean, you did throw out the little (IMO)'s, but you made a categorical value statement nevertheless.  You didn't say, "I don't like the way d20 works for future, because I think the future should be modelled such and such a way, which is not conducive to a d20 interpretation."  You said:So, I mean, yeah, obviously that's your opinion, but you didn't qualify it in any way, you haven't explained it in any way; it's simply a value judgement statement by you that stands alone and makes no sense.Oh, sure, that makes sense.  But you didn't say, "I really like the way Fuzion plays; it's a great system for the genre you're looking for."  You said, and you've said in the past, that d20 simply doesn't work for futuristic games, which is complete hogwash.  It works, and it works great.  It may not be your style, which is perfectly fine, but again; that's not what you said.And I didn't interpret it as one.  However, given the initial question of the thread, I think your point deserved some examination.  If it's really just coming down to, "I'd play with Fuzion for that genre; I think it works great," then that's fine.  But to make a blanket accusation about how d20 doesn't work for an extremly broad, vast set of genres, the only thing in common between them that they are futuristic, is gonna get some "WTF?" responses, especially on a message board full of d20 fans.Great.  Although in an advice thread of the nature of this one, I'd expect it to be questioned if it's based on some dodgy logic.</blockquote>

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