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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Elf Witch" data-source="post: 5729736" data-attributes="member: 9037">We played tonight and we were talking about this. And we agreed that any player building the right build can marginalize another character and this is a bug because the rules allow it. One player brought up a tricked out rogue who was outfighting the fighter and doing far more damage and once he got high enough level he was not taking damage from spells with his good saves and his use magic device was obscenely high and  he started getting a hold of wands and scrolls and being as good as the party wizard. It was obvious he didn't really need the rest of the party. He could fight, cast spells,heal from a wand and disarm traps and pick locks. No other class has this versatility and yet you rarely read about rogues stepping on other classes toes or reading how use magic device makes things to easy and makes the rogue able to do what the party wizard does. In our Age of Worms campaign the rogue often gets all the limelight with his damaging ability and now that he has reached 11 level he is getting good with use magic device. The only thing stopping him from marginalizing my sorcerer is that he does not have access to wands and scrolls of course neither do I.Again I think this is more of a player/DM problem then a rule issue. It is really very simple don't design your character to be a dick. When I play a wizard I rarely take the knock spell I don't go looking for wands or scrolls of it. Not if we have a rogue in the party who has been designed to pick locks and disarm traps. In the games I play in and the games I run mages run out of spells all the time. It is really quite easy to do if you have a lot of encounters with a lot of mooks that just eat away at the mages resources. And since most of our clerics make the party buy wands of healing and potions the fighters have an easier time staying in combat with healing replacing lost hit points. Another way to control this is to limit how many wands and multi use items the party finds. In my game wands found in loot are never fully charged and you can't just walk into a town and buy one they usually have to be special ordered and even then they are hard to come by. I tend to put in a lot of scrolls an potions use once and then bye. I do think magic items are to easy to come by in 3E and don't cost enough and I think that is far more a problem then wizards being able to open door with magic better than a rogue with pick locks.</blockquote>

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