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<blockquote data-quote="Storm Raven" data-source="post: 1195652" data-attributes="member: 307">I've found data from other sources that hold the 4-5 person playing group to be true. One of the newspapers in my area did an extensive survey on RPG groups in the last couple of years, and they found that the most common RPG group (no matter the game system) was a GM and 3 players. You don't have to just trust WotC, there are other sources out there that confirm this.Which, in my experience, makes you atypical.No, but when houseruling is the norm rather than the exception, then that is evidence of a problem. In my epxerience (and the epxerience of just about every other veteran D&amp;D player I've discussed this with, including you), they used pages and pages of house rules when they played 1e/2e. On the other hand, I have met very few people who use extensive house rules when playing 3e, most people I have communicated with on this issue maintain that they have a page, or maybe two of house rules, or simply no house rules.You are one of the few people I have dealt with who thinks that reams of changes are necessary for 3e. Most people I have found have said things along the lines of &quot;when I played 2e, I had 50 pages of house rules, now that I play 3e, I have tossed them all away&quot;. That makes my statements based upon much more than being the &quot;sole arbiter&quot;, it makes them based upon &quot;many arbiters&quot;.Basically, everything you have said in this htread indicates that your RPG experience has generally been completely atypical. Hence, I'm inclined to argue that your observations are not of a particularly valuable nature for evaluating the usefulness of the various editions for the typical D&amp;D player.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Storm Raven, post: 1195652, member: 307"] I've found data from other sources that hold the 4-5 person playing group to be true. One of the newspapers in my area did an extensive survey on RPG groups in the last couple of years, and they found that the most common RPG group (no matter the game system) was a GM and 3 players. You don't have to just trust WotC, there are other sources out there that confirm this. Which, in my experience, makes you atypical. No, but when houseruling is the norm rather than the exception, then that is evidence of a problem. In my epxerience (and the epxerience of just about every other veteran D&D player I've discussed this with, including you), they used pages and pages of house rules when they played 1e/2e. On the other hand, I have met very few people who use extensive house rules when playing 3e, most people I have communicated with on this issue maintain that they have a page, or maybe two of house rules, or simply no house rules. [b][/b] You are one of the few people I have dealt with who thinks that reams of changes are necessary for 3e. Most people I have found have said things along the lines of "when I played 2e, I had 50 pages of house rules, now that I play 3e, I have tossed them all away". That makes my statements based upon much more than being the "sole arbiter", it makes them based upon "many arbiters". Basically, everything you have said in this htread indicates that your RPG experience has generally been completely atypical. Hence, I'm inclined to argue that your observations are not of a particularly valuable nature for evaluating the usefulness of the various editions for the typical D&D player. [/QUOTE]

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