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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Pants" data-source="post: 1201315" data-attributes="member: 8849">I would challenge that.  The games you listed above are not trying to be like DnD.  Just the fact that they are built off of the d20 system does not make them the same in any way.  They dod not do things 'better' in any objective way, they do it differently. This just shows that the d20 system can be a very flexible system, not that DnD 3.x is somehow flawed.I seriously doubt that.  People have removed AoO and miniature combat without destroying the system and others still houserule.  So DnD 3.x isn't the 'brittle iron' that everyone makes it out to be.</blockquote>