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<blockquote data-quote="tglassy" data-source="post: 9005941" data-attributes="member: 6855204"><p>I have always been a huge Warlock Fan. I've made and played a Fire Genasi Fiend Warlock, an Earth Genasi Genie Warlock, an Orc Hexblade, a Human Celestial Warlock, a Human Great Old One Warlock, a Human Undead Patron Warlock...I've played them all. I love them. I love the flavor, I love the flexibility.</p><p></p><p>I absolutely hated how crappy they were. Every one of them wound up using Eldritch Blast refluffed as something else because doing anything else just sucked in comparison. The Genie Warlock was meant to be a Pact of the Blade, but Eldritch Blast was just better in every way without a homebrew. The Hexblade died in his second adventure because he insisted on using a Blade anyway (Shades suck, by the way). The Celestial was going to go Tome, Shellilague and use a quarterstaff with Green Flame Blade, and did, for a while...but Eldritch Blast is just better. The others just fluffed Eldritch Blast into either an infernal pistol or something like that.</p><p></p><p>Their spell selection sucked. Their number of spells sucked. Everyone else got a great selection or could do all kinds of stuff, and here I am having to grab a Tome and do Rituals if I want to pretend to be good at spellcasting.</p><p></p><p>Having only two spell slots was just crap. And at lvl 1? You only have ONE! ONE SPELL SLOT. What the heck? Well, i guess you'll cast Hex, once, and then EB the rest of the day, derp de derp. Oh, you prepped Comprehend Languages and now found a note written in a language none of the party knows? Too bad, you only had the one slot.</p><p></p><p>Seriously, I love Warlocks, they are my favorite class, they are versitile and have more flavor than all the other classes combined for me. But the old version nerfed every part of them. Their slots only go up to 5th level, they only get so many, one of the few Short Rest classes, shoehorned into Eldritch Blast...Just bad design all around.</p><p></p><p>The changes, though? They're great. They are a needed power boost. I don't think Boons need to be at first level, but whatever. More spell options, more spells in general, more Invocations, more flexibility, the ability to have a melee focused Warlock be actually decent at melee, and NOT JUST A HEXBLADE. Seriously, the Pact of the Blade should have looked like this from the get go.</p><p></p><p>So for y'all saying "you're not a real Warlock fan if you like the changes", stop the gatekeeping. Warlocks have always been an awesome but poorly designed class. Same as Sorcerers. The Flavor of Sorcerers was great, but they're basically just worse wizards. And yet I would always play a Sorcerer over a Wizard. Why? Because the Flavor was better. And I just dealt with it, because the story is more important than the mechanics, but boy did it rub me the wrong way. Both of them got a much, MUCH needed power boost in this update. At least now they can do things, instead of the Warlock just throwing EB's all day and maybe sometimes casting a spell that did something else. I wish I'd had these changes when i was trying my melee warlocks.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="tglassy, post: 9005941, member: 6855204"] I have always been a huge Warlock Fan. I've made and played a Fire Genasi Fiend Warlock, an Earth Genasi Genie Warlock, an Orc Hexblade, a Human Celestial Warlock, a Human Great Old One Warlock, a Human Undead Patron Warlock...I've played them all. I love them. I love the flavor, I love the flexibility. I absolutely hated how crappy they were. Every one of them wound up using Eldritch Blast refluffed as something else because doing anything else just sucked in comparison. The Genie Warlock was meant to be a Pact of the Blade, but Eldritch Blast was just better in every way without a homebrew. The Hexblade died in his second adventure because he insisted on using a Blade anyway (Shades suck, by the way). The Celestial was going to go Tome, Shellilague and use a quarterstaff with Green Flame Blade, and did, for a while...but Eldritch Blast is just better. The others just fluffed Eldritch Blast into either an infernal pistol or something like that. Their spell selection sucked. Their number of spells sucked. Everyone else got a great selection or could do all kinds of stuff, and here I am having to grab a Tome and do Rituals if I want to pretend to be good at spellcasting. Having only two spell slots was just crap. And at lvl 1? You only have ONE! ONE SPELL SLOT. What the heck? Well, i guess you'll cast Hex, once, and then EB the rest of the day, derp de derp. Oh, you prepped Comprehend Languages and now found a note written in a language none of the party knows? Too bad, you only had the one slot. Seriously, I love Warlocks, they are my favorite class, they are versitile and have more flavor than all the other classes combined for me. But the old version nerfed every part of them. Their slots only go up to 5th level, they only get so many, one of the few Short Rest classes, shoehorned into Eldritch Blast...Just bad design all around. The changes, though? They're great. They are a needed power boost. I don't think Boons need to be at first level, but whatever. More spell options, more spells in general, more Invocations, more flexibility, the ability to have a melee focused Warlock be actually decent at melee, and NOT JUST A HEXBLADE. Seriously, the Pact of the Blade should have looked like this from the get go. So for y'all saying "you're not a real Warlock fan if you like the changes", stop the gatekeeping. Warlocks have always been an awesome but poorly designed class. Same as Sorcerers. The Flavor of Sorcerers was great, but they're basically just worse wizards. And yet I would always play a Sorcerer over a Wizard. Why? Because the Flavor was better. And I just dealt with it, because the story is more important than the mechanics, but boy did it rub me the wrong way. Both of them got a much, MUCH needed power boost in this update. At least now they can do things, instead of the Warlock just throwing EB's all day and maybe sometimes casting a spell that did something else. I wish I'd had these changes when i was trying my melee warlocks. [/QUOTE]
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