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<blockquote data-quote="Cap'n Kobold" data-source="post: 9021118" data-attributes="member: 6802951"><p>As crippled as Warlock Mystic Arcanum is compared to actual spellcasters, it is still going to be pretty hard to optimise a warlock without mystic Arcanum. </p><p>High-level spells are the most powerful and capable class abilities in the game. If they are on the table, all other invocations are going to be judged in comparison.</p><p></p><p>Wizards have a list of spells that they can prepare every morning, and will generally have several spells that they can use in any one slot. Plus up-casting lower-level spells. So if Fireball isn't suitable, they can use Fly, or up-cast a lower-level spell etc.</p><p>Warlock has one spell for that slot. So if they selected Fireball, they can only use that slot for casting Fireball. If Fireball isn't suitable they don't get to use that slot until they level up.</p><p> I mean it was my reading of what they were saying. Its also been one of the problems with the new Warlock discussed on this forum.</p><p></p><p> You . . . might want to re-read my post then. - I start by discussing the base class, which is a half-caster before you start choosing class abilities, and then move on to why having a Mystic Arcanum for a spell is nowhere as good as being an actual spellcaster with that level slots.</p><p>So, the base class spell slots will have difficulties competing with just Eldritch Blast spamming, and if you choose to burn you invocations on Mystic Arcanum, they are not going to be as usable in combat as often as an actual spellcaster's slot is because they are far more situational.</p><p></p><p> - Is this in response to someone else's post? I'm not aware of anyone in this thread asking for all of that. I know Treantmonk covered it, but I believed that it was in response to his youtube comments, which I don't make a point of reading, nor repeating.</p><p></p><p></p><p>OK. I am increasingly aware that you may not be an English speaker, but "cherry-picking" is generally regarded as a negative term.</p><p>Now, since you've thrown that insult twice, I'd like you to explain why you chose to use that particular slur, given that:</p><p>1: Fireball was the example spell already mentioned earlier in the post.</p><p>2: 5th level is literally the first time a Warlock can choose Mystic Arcanum.</p><p>3: Higher levels of spells are going to show commensurately less usage given lengths of campaigns etc.</p><p>4: Fireball spell was specifically called out by Treantmonk in his video.</p><p></p><p>And lastly, I would like you to tell me which level I should have chosen for a specific example, if 5th level was so upsetting to your sensitivities.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I explained why Mystic Arcanum doesn't match up to actual caster levels in the earlier post. The issue does not show up on the charts that he shows, which only cover spell slots, not what you can actually use them for. </p><p></p><p></p><p>Uh. . . . That is the video that Neonchameleon is talking about.</p><p>There is no "other video."</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Cap'n Kobold, post: 9021118, member: 6802951"] As crippled as Warlock Mystic Arcanum is compared to actual spellcasters, it is still going to be pretty hard to optimise a warlock without mystic Arcanum. High-level spells are the most powerful and capable class abilities in the game. If they are on the table, all other invocations are going to be judged in comparison. Wizards have a list of spells that they can prepare every morning, and will generally have several spells that they can use in any one slot. Plus up-casting lower-level spells. So if Fireball isn't suitable, they can use Fly, or up-cast a lower-level spell etc. Warlock has one spell for that slot. So if they selected Fireball, they can only use that slot for casting Fireball. If Fireball isn't suitable they don't get to use that slot until they level up. I mean it was my reading of what they were saying. Its also been one of the problems with the new Warlock discussed on this forum. You . . . might want to re-read my post then. - I start by discussing the base class, which is a half-caster before you start choosing class abilities, and then move on to why having a Mystic Arcanum for a spell is nowhere as good as being an actual spellcaster with that level slots. So, the base class spell slots will have difficulties competing with just Eldritch Blast spamming, and if you choose to burn you invocations on Mystic Arcanum, they are not going to be as usable in combat as often as an actual spellcaster's slot is because they are far more situational. - Is this in response to someone else's post? I'm not aware of anyone in this thread asking for all of that. I know Treantmonk covered it, but I believed that it was in response to his youtube comments, which I don't make a point of reading, nor repeating. OK. I am increasingly aware that you may not be an English speaker, but "cherry-picking" is generally regarded as a negative term. Now, since you've thrown that insult twice, I'd like you to explain why you chose to use that particular slur, given that: 1: Fireball was the example spell already mentioned earlier in the post. 2: 5th level is literally the first time a Warlock can choose Mystic Arcanum. 3: Higher levels of spells are going to show commensurately less usage given lengths of campaigns etc. 4: Fireball spell was specifically called out by Treantmonk in his video. And lastly, I would like you to tell me which level I should have chosen for a specific example, if 5th level was so upsetting to your sensitivities. I explained why Mystic Arcanum doesn't match up to actual caster levels in the earlier post. The issue does not show up on the charts that he shows, which only cover spell slots, not what you can actually use them for. Uh. . . . That is the video that Neonchameleon is talking about. There is no "other video." [/QUOTE]
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