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<blockquote data-quote="ZombieRoboNinja" data-source="post: 5948831" data-attributes="member: 54843">It looks like 5e will actually do a decent job of this by cordoning off those trips/disarms/etc into a tactics module. If I want to make a disarm attempt using the current rules, the &quot;how to play&quot; guide makes it fairly clear that it'll just be a Strength or Dex contest, with advantage/disadvantage doled out at the DM's discretion. (If I were DMing, it would depend on the description used.. a fighter trying to smash an axe out of his enemy's hand would be Str vs. Str with the defender having advantage, for example, while a swashbuckler attempting some fancy disarm maneuver against a distracted foe might be Dex vs Dex with no advantage.) This is cool because not having a list of discrete maneuvers (Bull Rush, Disarm, etc) leads to more creative combat tactics from players.Using the tactics module, of course, these things would be a bit more spelled out for the groups who prefer nitty-gritty battlegrid combat. (I honestly think either would be fun.)But as Deadboy says, neither precludes fighter maneuvers that gives those fighters an extra-cool way to achieve the same effect, any more than the Sneak Attack class ability prevents non-rogues from using clever surprise tactics.A sample maneuver:Disarming Blow: The fighter makes a melee attack; if he succeeds, he can make a disarm attempt with advantage. This way, nobody's under the impression that a &quot;disarm attempt&quot; is unique to this maneuver, but the fighter still has a cool way to do it better. Moreover, the wording avoids spelling out what a disarm attempt is, so that a group using the light tactical rules can consider it a DM-adjudicated contest and a group using the tactics module can use whatever an official &quot;disarm attempt&quot; is, but with advantage.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="ZombieRoboNinja, post: 5948831, member: 54843"] It looks like 5e will actually do a decent job of this by cordoning off those trips/disarms/etc into a tactics module. If I want to make a disarm attempt using the current rules, the "how to play" guide makes it fairly clear that it'll just be a Strength or Dex contest, with advantage/disadvantage doled out at the DM's discretion. (If I were DMing, it would depend on the description used.. a fighter trying to smash an axe out of his enemy's hand would be Str vs. Str with the defender having advantage, for example, while a swashbuckler attempting some fancy disarm maneuver against a distracted foe might be Dex vs Dex with no advantage.) This is cool because not having a list of discrete maneuvers (Bull Rush, Disarm, etc) leads to more creative combat tactics from players. Using the tactics module, of course, these things would be a bit more spelled out for the groups who prefer nitty-gritty battlegrid combat. (I honestly think either would be fun.) But as Deadboy says, neither precludes fighter maneuvers that gives those fighters an extra-cool way to achieve the same effect, any more than the Sneak Attack class ability prevents non-rogues from using clever surprise tactics. A sample maneuver: Disarming Blow: The fighter makes a melee attack; if he succeeds, he can make a disarm attempt with advantage. This way, nobody's under the impression that a "disarm attempt" is unique to this maneuver, but the fighter still has a cool way to do it better. Moreover, the wording avoids spelling out what a disarm attempt is, so that a group using the light tactical rules can consider it a DM-adjudicated contest and a group using the tactics module can use whatever an official "disarm attempt" is, but with advantage. [/QUOTE]

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