Menu
News
All News
Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
Pathfinder
Starfinder
Warhammer
2d20 System
Year Zero Engine
Industry News
Reviews
Dragon Reflections
Columns
Weekly Digests
Weekly News Digest
Freebies, Sales & Bundles
RPG Print News
RPG Crowdfunding News
Game Content
ENterplanetary DimENsions
Mythological Figures
Opinion
Worlds of Design
Peregrine's Next
RPG Evolution
Other Columns
From the Freelancing Frontline
Monster ENcyclopedia
WotC/TSR Alumni Look Back
4 Hours w/RSD (Ryan Dancey)
The Road to 3E (Jonathan Tweet)
Greenwood's Realms (Ed Greenwood)
Drawmij's TSR (Jim Ward)
Community
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Resources
Wiki
Pages
Latest activity
Media
New media
New comments
Search media
Downloads
Latest reviews
Search resources
EN Publishing
Store
EN5ider
Adventures in ZEITGEIST
Awfully Cheerful Engine
What's OLD is NEW
Judge Dredd & The Worlds Of 2000AD
War of the Burning Sky
Level Up: Advanced 5E
Events & Releases
Upcoming Events
Private Events
Featured Events
Socials!
Twitch
YouTube
Facebook (EN Publishing)
Facebook (EN World)
Twitter
Instagram
TikTok
Podcast
Features
Top 5 RPGs Compiled Charts 2004-Present
Adventure Game Industry Market Research Summary (RPGs) V1.0
Ryan Dancey: Acquiring TSR
Q&A With Gary Gygax
D&D Rules FAQs
TSR, WotC, & Paizo: A Comparative History
D&D Pronunciation Guide
Million Dollar TTRPG Kickstarters
Tabletop RPG Podcast Hall of Fame
Eric Noah's Unofficial D&D 3rd Edition News
D&D in the Mainstream
D&D & RPG History
About Morrus
Log in
Register
What's new
Search
Search
Search titles only
By:
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Menu
Log in
Register
Install the app
Install
The
VOIDRUNNER'S CODEX
is LIVE! Explore new worlds, fight oppressive empires, fend off fearsome aliens, and wield deadly psionics with this comprehensive boxed set expansion for 5E and A5E!
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
D&D Older Editions
I love 5E, but lately I miss 4E's monsters
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="Sacrosanct" data-source="post: 7014884" data-attributes="member: 15700"><p>Very much this. It's obvious the MM design was intentional, and based on information as to what bests fits the design scope of 5e, and what most people wanted. Heck, Mearls has said more than once about how the design of 5e is heavily influenced by playtest feedback <em>even to the point of them omitting some things Mearls personally liked</em>.</p><p></p><p>So if I could have my magic wish, it would be that people would stop with this argument that the design team is incompetent in some way (dropped the ball, didn't think of this, put not effort, etc) and that you are being punished (suffer the consequences) by the current game. It simply is not true, and the design team certainly doesn't deserve to be constantly insulted. They knew what they were doing, and had a clear goal in mind. Looking at the success of 5e, they made the right decision. Does it make everyone happy? No, but "not exactly to my preferences" does not mean they screwed up, and frankly needs to stop being the go-to excuse.</p><p></p><p></p><p>As an aside, this seems to be the only industry where we have these types of arguments. For example, I hang out on car forums, and if I went into the Ford Raptor forum and kept saying how the Ford design team dropped the ball, were incompetent, and are idiots because they didn't put out an option right out of the factory for everything I wanted on the Raptor, the rest of the people there would act like I lost my dang mind. And I can tell you what the responses would be.</p><p></p><p>"You want a rooftop tent? Here's where you find one, there is no need to have that as an option right out of the factory."</p><p>"You want a bullbar and warn winch? Here's where you get them."</p><p></p><p>No one, and I do mean no one, seriously expects that Ford would put out a factory option that covered all options, especially when getting those options is very easy in the aftermarket (which is what the DMs Guild essentially is). In fact, if Ford did that, they would lose a ton of money, because the sales numbers wouldn't justify the time and effort to create those options from them. Like D&D, they said "here is the base F150 (basic rules), and here are all the options that are most popular (FX4, Raptor, King Ranch in the form of all the optional rules like feats and multiclassing)</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Sacrosanct, post: 7014884, member: 15700"] Very much this. It's obvious the MM design was intentional, and based on information as to what bests fits the design scope of 5e, and what most people wanted. Heck, Mearls has said more than once about how the design of 5e is heavily influenced by playtest feedback [I]even to the point of them omitting some things Mearls personally liked[/I]. So if I could have my magic wish, it would be that people would stop with this argument that the design team is incompetent in some way (dropped the ball, didn't think of this, put not effort, etc) and that you are being punished (suffer the consequences) by the current game. It simply is not true, and the design team certainly doesn't deserve to be constantly insulted. They knew what they were doing, and had a clear goal in mind. Looking at the success of 5e, they made the right decision. Does it make everyone happy? No, but "not exactly to my preferences" does not mean they screwed up, and frankly needs to stop being the go-to excuse. As an aside, this seems to be the only industry where we have these types of arguments. For example, I hang out on car forums, and if I went into the Ford Raptor forum and kept saying how the Ford design team dropped the ball, were incompetent, and are idiots because they didn't put out an option right out of the factory for everything I wanted on the Raptor, the rest of the people there would act like I lost my dang mind. And I can tell you what the responses would be. "You want a rooftop tent? Here's where you find one, there is no need to have that as an option right out of the factory." "You want a bullbar and warn winch? Here's where you get them." No one, and I do mean no one, seriously expects that Ford would put out a factory option that covered all options, especially when getting those options is very easy in the aftermarket (which is what the DMs Guild essentially is). In fact, if Ford did that, they would lose a ton of money, because the sales numbers wouldn't justify the time and effort to create those options from them. Like D&D, they said "here is the base F150 (basic rules), and here are all the options that are most popular (FX4, Raptor, King Ranch in the form of all the optional rules like feats and multiclassing) [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Verification
Post reply
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
D&D Older Editions
I love 5E, but lately I miss 4E's monsters
Top