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Message: <blockquote data-quote="gyor" data-source="post: 6367957" data-attributes="member: 6670153">To turn a Succubus into a demon by 5e rules its simple. Where it says Succubus Fiend add (demon). Done. Seriously the demon subtype has almost no mechanical effect. The only subtype to have any real mechanical impact at all is (Shapechanger). Type matters much more in mechanical terms, in the Succubi's case fiend.  Fluff wise they already serve Demon Princes in the Abyss in 5e terms so how much practical influence would this have on any setting? In Ebberon pre 4e they were from the Plane of Darkness I believe, during 4e they were from the 9 hells, nether has a connection to the Abyss. Darksun I don't think Extraplanar Creatures play much of an impact. In Forgotten Realms there was an in setting explaination for the switch of most of the succubi from demons to devils and it would not take much to explain Succubi going completely rogue as a race. In Greyhawk they were traditionally demons, but in the Nentar Vale Setting they are traditionally Devils. So we have a compromise. Planescape, this is the biggy, and even here we have a presidenece set with Lawful Fall-From-Grace, who while a demon, showed it was possible for Succubi to branch out. Having Succubi in all Lower Planes is less of a difference in Planescape terms then making the Outlands no longer a true Outer Plane or adding in the Elemental Chaos, making part of the Elemental Planes like a Elemental reflection of the Material Plane and its echo planes, or setting the energy planes, Negative and Positive out past the the Outer Planes and far, far away from the Inner Planes which means the QausiElemental Plane of Radiance no longer exists, and then thier is the question of how to make the Elemental Chaos different from Limbo because in 4e the Elemental Chaos ate Limbo not just the Elemental Planes. As for Tielflings the Planescape Tiefling will be a part of the Planetouched race, which this is just my guess, not fact, will be in the new Elemental Evil Adventurer's Handbook.</blockquote>

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