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Message: <blockquote data-quote="aco175" data-source="post: 8718361" data-attributes="member: 27385">This seems to tie in with some threads from a couple years ago when we were talking about time and how long things take based on a roll.  Some was picking a lock and some was on searching.  There was some on walking into a room and saying that you search it.  I generally let the players just search the whole room and not break it down to a dozen rolls and hope the one they succeed on is the one where something is.  Maybe some falls into the fail forward threads.I generally let the PCs make a Perception or an Investigation check when they say "I search the room."  Maybe there is a loose flagstone hiding a pouch of gold.  Giving enough time, a few PCs searching should find it.  I have a low limit of 5 saying you still do not find it and 6-10 takes longer than 10 minutes and you have a choice to search and get a random monster check.  Rolls 10-14 finds it within 10 minutes and 15+ finds it normally.  Sometimes if there is different DC depending on what skill the PCs are using.Was it a comic strip or another poster cutting down tediousness with the saying, "Standard door procedure 2." when the DM said they come to a door in a dungeon.  The party had developed methods to combat the DM's gotcha moments.</blockquote>