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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Charlaquin" data-source="post: 8718402" data-attributes="member: 6779196"><p>I would argue the DM in this example was doing a poor job of running the game in this style. If your declaration of “checking the closet” had no chance of success, he shouldn’t have asked you to make a check. Likewise, if the bar was hollow and there was something hidden in it, removing it and looking to see if it’s hollow and if there’s anything in it shouldn’t require a roll either, because there’s no way it could fail. If it were me, “checking the closet” would require an ability check because it’s not certain if you would find the hollow bar by doing that or not. “Checking the bar to see if it’s hollow” would result in success without a roll because the bar is indeed hollow. The latter would be a safer approach because checks can be failed and failure has consequences, but the former approach, while riskier, is still valid.</p></blockquote><p></p>