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Message: <blockquote data-quote="GMforPowergamers" data-source="post: 8718905" data-attributes="member: 67338">as long as both are trying to hide (IMO) the massive difference in character should be accounted for.If the pally says they leave before the ogre shows up cool... that isn't hiding it's leaving (although I still may have them roll for tthe oger  to hear your metal armor clink as you go)  but if both are trying to hide...again character skill (IMO) should matter even if not rollingI don't agree... did they get themselves behind the door well enough? did the ogre hear the motions? does there armor reflect light through the grating on the door oddly? also why did you choose to be so bad at stealth if you wanted to roleplay hiding?now that is fine as long as all those options are equal an not a trap "Oh if you chose B you would be fine A and C you would get a roll but D is an auto fail" not so much...there we go... gotcha traps. The character should know about darkvision and what it means even if I don'tyou could spell out the pros and cons of each though</blockquote>