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<blockquote data-quote="Swarmkeeper" data-source="post: 8719130" data-attributes="member: 6921763">To be clear, what some of us are saying is: a player saying &quot;I look around the room&quot; has already been covered by the DM describing the environment (Step 1 of the 5e play loop).&nbsp; If the DM is doing their job in describing the environment, anything obvious should be revealed in that step, including sounds and smells (and, I suppose, possibly feels and tastes, although I'm not going to assume the PCs are touching or tasting anything dangerous when I'm first describing a new scene). Now that the DM has described the scene, let's move to step 2 of the 5e play loop:&nbsp; what would you like your PC to do, player?Disagree.&nbsp; A DM can certainly make a ruling that a PC who decides to close themselves in a pantry and stay quiet is now hidden.&nbsp; No roll is required by the rules.&nbsp; I mean, it could be a cramped pantry and the paladin might be bulky... so perhaps a roll could be appropriate if knocking over jars is a possibility.&nbsp; It really is up to the DM to adjudicate as they see fit according to the scene.&nbsp; And it's not penalizing another character if they choose a less concealed spot to hide in than the pantry - its simply adjudicating the circumstances.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Swarmkeeper, post: 8719130, member: 6921763"] To be clear, what some of us are saying is: a player saying "I look around the room" has already been covered by the DM describing the environment (Step 1 of the 5e play loop). If the DM is doing their job in describing the environment, anything obvious should be revealed in that step, including sounds and smells (and, I suppose, possibly feels and tastes, although I'm not going to assume the PCs are touching or tasting anything dangerous when I'm first describing a new scene). Now that the DM has described the scene, let's move to step 2 of the 5e play loop: what would you like your PC to do, player? Disagree. A DM can certainly make a ruling that a PC who decides to close themselves in a pantry and stay quiet is now hidden. No roll is [I]required [/I]by the rules. I mean, it could be a cramped pantry and the paladin might be bulky... so perhaps a roll could be appropriate if knocking over jars is a possibility. It really is up to the DM to adjudicate as they see fit according to the scene. And it's not penalizing another character if they choose a less concealed spot to hide in than the pantry - its simply adjudicating the circumstances. [/QUOTE]

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