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<blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 8719952" data-attributes="member: 6801228"><p>But as I asked them, what action do you expect me to take to look for hidden elements of the scene that isn't "I look for hidden elements in the scene?" </p><p></p><p>This is the fundamental disconnect I'm having as you keep describing your playstyle. You keep insisting I tell you what my character does, but when I tell you what my character does, you say "You already did that, what else?" Well what else is there? How do you look for things without looking for things? Am I being regulated to investigation now because I must pick up and examine elements of the scene to get more information? </p><p></p><p>Or with insight. The goal of insight is to see through deception. But what action can I take other than... trying to see through deception, which I'm being told is a passive use of the skill and that I need to "do something" but... what is there to do? What do you expect someone to do before you call on them to roll these supposedly "passive" skills?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>They aren't spot-light hogging. They just get to auto-pass because they spoke up before the rogue. The rogue isn't going to tell the paladin "you can't hide in the pantry, I was going to hide in the pantry" because that isn't good teamplay, unless of course they know that the pantry is an auto-pass from you, then they are going to get upset that their plan which was a 100% guaranteed pass was stolen. Usually, they are going to try and figure out something else, because the paladin already that idea. </p><p></p><p>But again, going "first" leads to one player automatically succeeding on the skill, and another player having to roll. Which is fundamentally unfair, because "Swarmkeeper asked me what I wanted to do first" isn't a good way to adjudicate who is good at hiding in the fiction.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Chaosmancer, post: 8719952, member: 6801228"] But as I asked them, what action do you expect me to take to look for hidden elements of the scene that isn't "I look for hidden elements in the scene?" This is the fundamental disconnect I'm having as you keep describing your playstyle. You keep insisting I tell you what my character does, but when I tell you what my character does, you say "You already did that, what else?" Well what else is there? How do you look for things without looking for things? Am I being regulated to investigation now because I must pick up and examine elements of the scene to get more information? Or with insight. The goal of insight is to see through deception. But what action can I take other than... trying to see through deception, which I'm being told is a passive use of the skill and that I need to "do something" but... what is there to do? What do you expect someone to do before you call on them to roll these supposedly "passive" skills? They aren't spot-light hogging. They just get to auto-pass because they spoke up before the rogue. The rogue isn't going to tell the paladin "you can't hide in the pantry, I was going to hide in the pantry" because that isn't good teamplay, unless of course they know that the pantry is an auto-pass from you, then they are going to get upset that their plan which was a 100% guaranteed pass was stolen. Usually, they are going to try and figure out something else, because the paladin already that idea. But again, going "first" leads to one player automatically succeeding on the skill, and another player having to roll. Which is fundamentally unfair, because "Swarmkeeper asked me what I wanted to do first" isn't a good way to adjudicate who is good at hiding in the fiction. [/QUOTE]
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