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<blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 8720233" data-attributes="member: 6801228"><p>But past actions of jerk GMs teach future actions of players. You keep acting like the players are doing something wrong, trying to force you to read their minds, or acting poorly by not engaging in the game, however, in my experience, a lot of this comes back to the player being screwed over by other GM's in the past and are now terrified of declaring "the wrong action". </p><p></p><p>And, frankly, nothing you've said is something that would put them at ease, because it seems like the goal is to get them to be specific enough to determine if they have fallen into a trap. I'm not saying that is your intent, but as a player who has had a GM like that, I'm not seeing anything other than your insistence that you aren't to show that isn't the goal. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Oh wonderful, we are at the part of the conversation where I get accused of being a bad-faith actor who doesn't read people's posts. Or the rules of the game! </p><p></p><p>You know, I was getting sad. It'd been nearly 24 hours since I started having a discussion on Enworld and no one had accused me or trolling or illiteracy. I was almost thinking this site might be getting less insulting and I could have an actual conversation about the game. Good to know I was wrong and I'll get to spend however long I can stand it now defending myself instead of my points. Keep those ad hominems coming, I'm sure you can accuse me of a child-like demeanor and flat out lying too. Stretch those muscles.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Chaosmancer, post: 8720233, member: 6801228"] But past actions of jerk GMs teach future actions of players. You keep acting like the players are doing something wrong, trying to force you to read their minds, or acting poorly by not engaging in the game, however, in my experience, a lot of this comes back to the player being screwed over by other GM's in the past and are now terrified of declaring "the wrong action". And, frankly, nothing you've said is something that would put them at ease, because it seems like the goal is to get them to be specific enough to determine if they have fallen into a trap. I'm not saying that is your intent, but as a player who has had a GM like that, I'm not seeing anything other than your insistence that you aren't to show that isn't the goal. Oh wonderful, we are at the part of the conversation where I get accused of being a bad-faith actor who doesn't read people's posts. Or the rules of the game! You know, I was getting sad. It'd been nearly 24 hours since I started having a discussion on Enworld and no one had accused me or trolling or illiteracy. I was almost thinking this site might be getting less insulting and I could have an actual conversation about the game. Good to know I was wrong and I'll get to spend however long I can stand it now defending myself instead of my points. Keep those ad hominems coming, I'm sure you can accuse me of a child-like demeanor and flat out lying too. Stretch those muscles. [/QUOTE]
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