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<blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 8720253" data-attributes="member: 6801228"><p>So we can only check four things off the checklist at a time?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Don't play with them anymore, but if I run into again, I'll be sure to pull out my rulebook and tell the DM what rules allow me to take that action. DM's love that after all. /sarcasm</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Because I don't punish them for failure. If they fail the roll, especially insight, then they simply get no information. </p><p></p><p>And they aren't going to just get the information, because I rarely open up with "So the merchant starts lying to you about..." unless someone has stupidly high insight or their lies are so blatantly obvious that everyone knows it.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>But this is the exact same as saying the Bard with expertise should be ecstatic that the Cha 8 Barbarian is IRL a smooth-talker and gave an eloquent speech to the king that auto-succeeded on their goals. Because it is a team game, and the barbarian who dominates in combat mechanically and dominates out of combat by playing the DM is great for the team, unlike the bard who can't dominate in combat, because they specced for out of combat, that the DM never lets them roll for, because the barbarian handles that better with no mechanics. </p><p></p><p>Just because the paladin player says they hide perfectly doesn't mean they actually hide perfectly. They should roll, otherwise what is the point of having stealth penalties to their armor?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Chaosmancer, post: 8720253, member: 6801228"] So we can only check four things off the checklist at a time? Don't play with them anymore, but if I run into again, I'll be sure to pull out my rulebook and tell the DM what rules allow me to take that action. DM's love that after all. /sarcasm Because I don't punish them for failure. If they fail the roll, especially insight, then they simply get no information. And they aren't going to just get the information, because I rarely open up with "So the merchant starts lying to you about..." unless someone has stupidly high insight or their lies are so blatantly obvious that everyone knows it. But this is the exact same as saying the Bard with expertise should be ecstatic that the Cha 8 Barbarian is IRL a smooth-talker and gave an eloquent speech to the king that auto-succeeded on their goals. Because it is a team game, and the barbarian who dominates in combat mechanically and dominates out of combat by playing the DM is great for the team, unlike the bard who can't dominate in combat, because they specced for out of combat, that the DM never lets them roll for, because the barbarian handles that better with no mechanics. Just because the paladin player says they hide perfectly doesn't mean they actually hide perfectly. They should roll, otherwise what is the point of having stealth penalties to their armor? [/QUOTE]
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