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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 8720345" data-attributes="member: 6801228">See, here is the problem though. You just said "I can't help you find traps, unless you look for them" but the player in your example said "I roll Perception to see if there are any traps.". How is that not looking for traps? Sure, the player didn't give you a specific method, but they did say perception, so you can imagine they are attempting to use visual information, olfactory information, or auditory information. Because that is all perception can cover. The five senses. They have stated they are looking for traps. But I'm being told, over and over, that just looking for traps isn't good enough.Now, if this argument was purely "Just saying I roll perception doesn't tell me their goal" I could say that makes some sense. But people keep saying the player isn't giving them actions that they are taking. And sure, "I use perception" is vague, I haven't denied that. But you can be pretty sure the character isn't licking the floor, so you have a rather narrow range of what they are trying to do.I also don't see this as an instance of <skip> mentality. It isn't about <skipping> as much as it is about simplifying. I have zero interest in sitting down at the table with my fantasy hero, then pulling out my three page checklist to go over all the possible things I could check. It isn't actually interesting to say "I search the top of the desk. I look under the desk. I pull out the first drawer of the desk. I look under the first drawer of the desk. I pull out the second drawer of the desk. I look under...."  I just want to say "I search the desk" and we can assume I go through the whole list, instead of me having to spell it out for you. Because if we are already at the stage where a desk with important clues has been found and we are looking for clues, the interesting part is what happens AFTER you find the clue, not the process of finding it.</blockquote>

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