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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 8720447" data-attributes="member: 6801228">Because there is still discussion to be hadIf these two things are identical, who cares what your precise wording was?Nobody has used that argument, except to make the player's seem like they are trying to cheat the system. The entire discussion has been about "action declaration" not players requesting different skills because they are better at those skills. No one is making that argument at all.That's fineAt this point I would tell them "Then you are doing an investigation check, not a perception check"As you said, this is just BS and not even worth discussing. This is the kind of stuff that is just being a malicious DM.But, again, the core question is that by saying "I want to use skill X" they ARE telling you what their character wants to do. If the goal is unclear, then sure, ask for clarification on the goal. But what people keep saying is that the ACTION is unclear, and it seems that it must be clarified specifically in case that action leads to poor outcomes for the player that they had no idea about.</blockquote>