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<blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 8723122" data-attributes="member: 4937"><p>Since this was indirectly in response to me, I'm going to respond to it. The answer is nothing. Not a bit. But the circumstance you describe in your response isn't remotely the circumstance that I talked about you using railroading techniques in. </p><p></p><p>For the record though, concerning the things you are talking about I'm vastly more proactive than you seem to be. If I know as the DM there is something hidden in a scene, I don't wait for a player to say "I Perception" or whatever, I just roll for the players behind the DM screen to see if they see it, and if they do I describe that they can see the hidden thing. Likewise, if I describe a mural on the wall and I know as a DM that characters with religious knowledge might understand more of what is depicted in the mural, then I don't wait for a player to go, "I Religion it", I just call for Religion checks right away. The act of looking at a room or object in the room is enough to tell me the player wants to understand it. They don't need to say any magic phrase to do that.</p><p></p><p>Which is one of several reasons something like, "I Perception it" or "I Investigate it" isn't a valid proposition at my table. The response is always going to be, "You already did." If they want more information they have to describe doing something that could have given them information they didn't have already. "I perception the room" doesn't open the chest. "I investigate the room" probably does eventually, but will always be followed with something like, "Ok, but it's a biggish rom. What do you want to investigate first?" unless investigating the room carries no consequences and I think the pace of play has gotten slow and I need to move things along a bit in which case I'll risk a handwave solely because I know OOC the player has no agency in this situation to lose.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Celebrim, post: 8723122, member: 4937"] Since this was indirectly in response to me, I'm going to respond to it. The answer is nothing. Not a bit. But the circumstance you describe in your response isn't remotely the circumstance that I talked about you using railroading techniques in. For the record though, concerning the things you are talking about I'm vastly more proactive than you seem to be. If I know as the DM there is something hidden in a scene, I don't wait for a player to say "I Perception" or whatever, I just roll for the players behind the DM screen to see if they see it, and if they do I describe that they can see the hidden thing. Likewise, if I describe a mural on the wall and I know as a DM that characters with religious knowledge might understand more of what is depicted in the mural, then I don't wait for a player to go, "I Religion it", I just call for Religion checks right away. The act of looking at a room or object in the room is enough to tell me the player wants to understand it. They don't need to say any magic phrase to do that. Which is one of several reasons something like, "I Perception it" or "I Investigate it" isn't a valid proposition at my table. The response is always going to be, "You already did." If they want more information they have to describe doing something that could have given them information they didn't have already. "I perception the room" doesn't open the chest. "I investigate the room" probably does eventually, but will always be followed with something like, "Ok, but it's a biggish rom. What do you want to investigate first?" unless investigating the room carries no consequences and I think the pace of play has gotten slow and I need to move things along a bit in which case I'll risk a handwave solely because I know OOC the player has no agency in this situation to lose. [/QUOTE]
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