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<blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 8723159" data-attributes="member: 18">I mean, I disagree fundamentally. If someone has +17 stealth and says &quot;I hide in the best location my character can find&quot;, and you, the DM, determines that is &quot;under the table&quot;, then sure.If however, I have NPCs who are serious professionals and not a bunch of numpties or lazy (which to fair, most NPCs are - numpties or lazy), and the players says &quot;I want to hide under the table&quot;, I'm probably going to say &quot;You've +17 stealth, you're not sure that's a great idea&quot;, and they insist anyway, then, no matter how good their stealth, if they insist on not moving from under the table, they WILL be found, it's just a matter of when (sure they won't be detected early like a low-stealth numpty might). If they're willing to move, sure a good stealth rolling could see them vanish out one end of the table just as the guy looks under it, and thus misses them or the like.There are RPGs where the PCs have more narrative control where a player asserting that hiding under the table was smart might make it so, but D&amp;D, RAW and RAI is definitely not one of them. You're welcome to make it one at your table, and I sympathize but...</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ruin Explorer, post: 8723159, member: 18"] I mean, I disagree fundamentally. If someone has +17 stealth and says "I hide in the best location my character can find", and you, the DM, determines that is "under the table", then sure. If however, I have NPCs who are serious professionals and not a bunch of numpties or lazy (which to fair, most NPCs are - numpties or lazy), and the players says "I want to hide under the table", I'm probably going to say "You've +17 stealth, you're not sure that's a great idea", and they insist anyway, then, no matter how good their stealth, if they[I] insist [/I]on not moving from under the table, they WILL be found, it's just a matter of when (sure they won't be detected early like a low-stealth numpty might). If they're willing to move, sure a good stealth rolling could see them vanish out one end of the table just as the guy looks under it, and thus misses them or the like. There are RPGs where the PCs have more narrative control where a player asserting that hiding under the table was smart might make it so, but D&D, RAW and RAI is definitely not one of them. You're welcome to make it one at your table, and I sympathize but... [/QUOTE]

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