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<blockquote data-quote="GMforPowergamers" data-source="post: 8723601" data-attributes="member: 67338"><p>no it is based on everytime I say "my character is better then me and I don't know how to describe it" the answer isn't to help narrate, or to make a check but to make them say SOMETHING even if they and you know what they say will not be as good as what the character would do.</p><p></p><p>100% my stance</p><p></p><p>I mean I kind of see what you mean... but I don't think of it as the character sheet but the character. The sheet is just the break down for ease of mechanic. </p><p>If I were writing a novel (maybe someday) my stealthy character would not hide somewhere stupid unless i meant to play it for laughs.</p><p>If I were writing a new animated Netflix original series my charismatic leading man who bargains with devils for his power will not be constantly shown up by the borish not charismatic woodsman every time we start to talk</p><p></p><p>in a game where the player picks a place to hide and it is someplace the DM thinks is dumb they just don't get a roll</p><p>in a game where the 2 players of the 20 cha warlock and 8 cha barbarian happen to have the barbarian player be better at coming up with and talking through arguments and better at making friends... so the DM lets him auto pass since he has 'described something that should work'</p><p></p><p>yes and no. I want the fiction first when ever the players are up to it (I keep saying match the players energy) but weather they use fiction or what you call buttons, either way it is a check to see how well they do.</p><p></p><p>the joke is "Diplomancy" like putting necromancy and diplomacy togather... but yes, if it makes sense to talk and use cha or a cha skill i am fine with that as short hand.</p><p></p><p></p><p>you say I am prioritizing character sheet over character... but the character sheet IS the representation of the character in our real world. you say I am prioritizing game rules over game fiction... but I would say you prioritize player narration skill over game fiction.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I responded to you saying the difference is between serious and parody</p><p></p><p>then explain what you meant by </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>again if we say "I talk my way into the palace" and my character is KNOWN for being a charismatic fast talker... yeah we can skip that no issue.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="GMforPowergamers, post: 8723601, member: 67338"] no it is based on everytime I say "my character is better then me and I don't know how to describe it" the answer isn't to help narrate, or to make a check but to make them say SOMETHING even if they and you know what they say will not be as good as what the character would do. 100% my stance I mean I kind of see what you mean... but I don't think of it as the character sheet but the character. The sheet is just the break down for ease of mechanic. If I were writing a novel (maybe someday) my stealthy character would not hide somewhere stupid unless i meant to play it for laughs. If I were writing a new animated Netflix original series my charismatic leading man who bargains with devils for his power will not be constantly shown up by the borish not charismatic woodsman every time we start to talk in a game where the player picks a place to hide and it is someplace the DM thinks is dumb they just don't get a roll in a game where the 2 players of the 20 cha warlock and 8 cha barbarian happen to have the barbarian player be better at coming up with and talking through arguments and better at making friends... so the DM lets him auto pass since he has 'described something that should work' yes and no. I want the fiction first when ever the players are up to it (I keep saying match the players energy) but weather they use fiction or what you call buttons, either way it is a check to see how well they do. the joke is "Diplomancy" like putting necromancy and diplomacy togather... but yes, if it makes sense to talk and use cha or a cha skill i am fine with that as short hand. you say I am prioritizing character sheet over character... but the character sheet IS the representation of the character in our real world. you say I am prioritizing game rules over game fiction... but I would say you prioritize player narration skill over game fiction. I responded to you saying the difference is between serious and parody then explain what you meant by again if we say "I talk my way into the palace" and my character is KNOWN for being a charismatic fast talker... yeah we can skip that no issue. [/QUOTE]
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