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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Maxperson" data-source="post: 8724013" data-attributes="member: 23751">There's no such thing being talked about, though.Player 1: "I'm going to look behind the bookcase for the concealed door we were told was in this house and leads to the treasure."Player 2: "Good idea.  I'm going to look under the big rug in the middle of the floor for it."Dave: "I investigation!"DM: ":sigh: Looks like Dave is high again.  Okay.  Player 1, you move the bookcase and you see a concealed door behind it(auto success!).  Player 2, there is nothing under the rug(autofail)."Nothing there had player skill trumping character skill.  All of those characters are skilled enough to both look behind the bookcase and see the door, and look under the rug and fail to find it.  Now, player 1 could have said, "I search the room for concealed doors." and then the outcome would be in doubt and it would have come down to a roll that he could have failed.  While it's not behind the PC's skill to look behind the bookcase, it's also not beyond his skill to mess up and not move it, but peer behind and due to the bad angle, miss the door.This again is not something that puts player skill above(or in this case below) PC skill.  Let's say he does say something dumb.  Well, even high charisma people sometimes say dumb things.  That's real life. Nobody is perfect.</blockquote>