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<blockquote data-quote="MrMyth" data-source="post: 5351515" data-attributes="member: 61155"><p>And my point is that you seemed to be saying there was a problem with WotC's approach - that they had stopped producing content and had a massive shift in available content. But I don't think that's the case - they've just had a period where they didn't produce content <em>you</em> didn't want, and that is a very different thing. </p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>I'm not sure about that. One who only plays Divine characters might have considered some other stretch to be a more barren period. An FR player might have viewed the period after FR came out to no longer be of interest. </p><p> </p><p>But let's take a look overall. </p><p>June 2008: PHB, DMG, MM come out.</p><p>July 2008: Nothing.</p><p>August 2008: FRCG.</p><p>September 2008: Adventurer's Vault, FRPG.</p><p>October 2008: Nothing.</p><p>November 2008: Draconomicon, Martial Power. </p><p>December 2008: Manual of the Planes.</p><p>January 2009: Open Grave.</p><p>February 2009: Dungeon Delve.</p><p> </p><p>So, July 2008 through February 2009. A similar 8 month period. What do we have? </p><p> </p><p>Player books: FRPG, Martial Power, Adventurer's Vault.</p><p>Flavor books: FRCG, Draconomicon, Manual of the Planes, Open Grave.</p><p>DM/Player Tools: Dungeon Delve.</p><p> </p><p>As compared to: </p><p>Player books: HotFL, HotFK, HoS, HoL, Mordenkainen's Magnificent Emporium.</p><p>DM/Player Tools: DM's Kit, Monster Vault, Rules Compendium.</p><p> </p><p>I'm seeing just as much content as we've had in the past. The only difference, again, is that it isn't content you are interested in. Fair enough. That's certainly something one can discuss. </p><p> </p><p>And I'm guessing the heart of it is more about the lack of flavor heavy content and DM monster/location books than anything else. And it sounds like part of that is that they are trying to insert a bit more flavor into the books themselves, so I suppose we'll see how that goes. </p><p> </p><p>I think it's perfectly fine to say you wish they had different products coming out. It's the claim that this is the slowest time for 4E content or that we're not seeing anything new - those are the claims I'm considering bogus. They aren't genuine descriptions of the situation, just your own perspective filtered through what products you personally desire. </p><p> </p><p>I don't have any problems with you saying that you miss 4E products you like, or that you are a fan of hardcovers and flavor books and other things we aren't getting. But I'm less inclined to agree with general claims about this somehow being a universal problem or one that indicates any sort of potential issues for D&D as a whole.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="MrMyth, post: 5351515, member: 61155"] And my point is that you seemed to be saying there was a problem with WotC's approach - that they had stopped producing content and had a massive shift in available content. But I don't think that's the case - they've just had a period where they didn't produce content [I]you[/I] didn't want, and that is a very different thing. I'm not sure about that. One who only plays Divine characters might have considered some other stretch to be a more barren period. An FR player might have viewed the period after FR came out to no longer be of interest. But let's take a look overall. June 2008: PHB, DMG, MM come out. July 2008: Nothing. August 2008: FRCG. September 2008: Adventurer's Vault, FRPG. October 2008: Nothing. November 2008: Draconomicon, Martial Power. December 2008: Manual of the Planes. January 2009: Open Grave. February 2009: Dungeon Delve. So, July 2008 through February 2009. A similar 8 month period. What do we have? Player books: FRPG, Martial Power, Adventurer's Vault. Flavor books: FRCG, Draconomicon, Manual of the Planes, Open Grave. DM/Player Tools: Dungeon Delve. As compared to: Player books: HotFL, HotFK, HoS, HoL, Mordenkainen's Magnificent Emporium. DM/Player Tools: DM's Kit, Monster Vault, Rules Compendium. I'm seeing just as much content as we've had in the past. The only difference, again, is that it isn't content you are interested in. Fair enough. That's certainly something one can discuss. And I'm guessing the heart of it is more about the lack of flavor heavy content and DM monster/location books than anything else. And it sounds like part of that is that they are trying to insert a bit more flavor into the books themselves, so I suppose we'll see how that goes. I think it's perfectly fine to say you wish they had different products coming out. It's the claim that this is the slowest time for 4E content or that we're not seeing anything new - those are the claims I'm considering bogus. They aren't genuine descriptions of the situation, just your own perspective filtered through what products you personally desire. I don't have any problems with you saying that you miss 4E products you like, or that you are a fan of hardcovers and flavor books and other things we aren't getting. But I'm less inclined to agree with general claims about this somehow being a universal problem or one that indicates any sort of potential issues for D&D as a whole. [/QUOTE]
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