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<blockquote data-quote="MrMyth" data-source="post: 5355664" data-attributes="member: 61155"><p>I'm... not sure what you want me to say. You initially made a statement I disagreed with. Hence, I offered my disagreement. We then got into a back and forth on that point, and over the validity of it and whether it had been the claim you made in the first place. </p><p> </p><p>At this point, once it became clear you were no longer making that extreme a statement, I've said that my concerns were with the initial statement, and that I don't have those issues with what you've since explained your position to be. If you really feel I'm still unfairly responding to your posts (which certainly isn't my intent)... we might be better off taking this to private messages rather than continuing to derail the thread further. </p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>Again, to go back one last time to square one - I understand absolutely that you aren't pleased with the release schedule, and why. You feel there isn't as much content as usual, and that the content that exists isn't what you normally are a big purchaser of anyway. My objection was, from the start, against the claim that we weren't really seeing any new content. </p><p> </p><p>We've got two books with new content in it. Possibly a third depending on how the Monster Vault turns out. Saying that the content isn't there is, yes, a false statement. I mean... it's the risk of hyperbole, in the end. If you go ahead and post an exaggeration of the situation, I don't think it reasonable to feel upset that someone wants to point out the inaccuracy of the exaggeration. </p><p> </p><p>The new content is, yes, significantly less than the 6 or 7 books we might normally see, including a good mix of both player content and DM content, mechanical options as well as flavor and setting details. I have no objection to you being disappointed by that. I don't even disagree that other approaches could have been taken which might have been able to keep more existing customers happy without disrupting the Essentials release. Those positions are perfectly understandable ones to have. </p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>Yeah, this is the peril of running a game company - everyone has a better plan for how they should do it. I mean, I look at your ideas, and there are definitely ones I agree with (I would have liked a more robust Red Box), and they could have had a more efficient release of Essentials content. At the same time, I think some of the ideas would have undercut their goal here - the Heroes books are a brilliant approach compared to a PHB4, because it gives a much cheaper intro point for a new player who just wants to play a fighter. </p><p> </p><p>But in the end, I think WotC has access to a lot more planning and research than we really do. And so some of their decisions might be the wrong ones, yes. Others might be ones we dislike, but were made for the sake of the bottom-line - such as not producing a robust Red Box that can replace most of the game for only $20. </p><p> </p><p>I dunno. I think it's fair to say they could have done things differently, and offer ideas on how they could go about it. But I think there were reasons for the approaches they've taken, and that there it is/was a viable approach to have the line focused on Essentials for the duration of its release. </p><p> </p><p>I certainly agree with your last statement - I certainly don't want to see hardcovers completely replaced by digests. But I think it's too soon to really worry about that. Once the Essentials period is over, we'll get to see how much the line is impacted by it. I'm sure there will be some influence there, but it seems very premature to worry that their previous production habits will vanish entirely.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="MrMyth, post: 5355664, member: 61155"] I'm... not sure what you want me to say. You initially made a statement I disagreed with. Hence, I offered my disagreement. We then got into a back and forth on that point, and over the validity of it and whether it had been the claim you made in the first place. At this point, once it became clear you were no longer making that extreme a statement, I've said that my concerns were with the initial statement, and that I don't have those issues with what you've since explained your position to be. If you really feel I'm still unfairly responding to your posts (which certainly isn't my intent)... we might be better off taking this to private messages rather than continuing to derail the thread further. Again, to go back one last time to square one - I understand absolutely that you aren't pleased with the release schedule, and why. You feel there isn't as much content as usual, and that the content that exists isn't what you normally are a big purchaser of anyway. My objection was, from the start, against the claim that we weren't really seeing any new content. We've got two books with new content in it. Possibly a third depending on how the Monster Vault turns out. Saying that the content isn't there is, yes, a false statement. I mean... it's the risk of hyperbole, in the end. If you go ahead and post an exaggeration of the situation, I don't think it reasonable to feel upset that someone wants to point out the inaccuracy of the exaggeration. The new content is, yes, significantly less than the 6 or 7 books we might normally see, including a good mix of both player content and DM content, mechanical options as well as flavor and setting details. I have no objection to you being disappointed by that. I don't even disagree that other approaches could have been taken which might have been able to keep more existing customers happy without disrupting the Essentials release. Those positions are perfectly understandable ones to have. Yeah, this is the peril of running a game company - everyone has a better plan for how they should do it. I mean, I look at your ideas, and there are definitely ones I agree with (I would have liked a more robust Red Box), and they could have had a more efficient release of Essentials content. At the same time, I think some of the ideas would have undercut their goal here - the Heroes books are a brilliant approach compared to a PHB4, because it gives a much cheaper intro point for a new player who just wants to play a fighter. But in the end, I think WotC has access to a lot more planning and research than we really do. And so some of their decisions might be the wrong ones, yes. Others might be ones we dislike, but were made for the sake of the bottom-line - such as not producing a robust Red Box that can replace most of the game for only $20. I dunno. I think it's fair to say they could have done things differently, and offer ideas on how they could go about it. But I think there were reasons for the approaches they've taken, and that there it is/was a viable approach to have the line focused on Essentials for the duration of its release. I certainly agree with your last statement - I certainly don't want to see hardcovers completely replaced by digests. But I think it's too soon to really worry about that. Once the Essentials period is over, we'll get to see how much the line is impacted by it. I'm sure there will be some influence there, but it seems very premature to worry that their previous production habits will vanish entirely. [/QUOTE]
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