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<blockquote data-quote="The Shadow" data-source="post: 4228069" data-attributes="member: 16760">I suspect we'll find that Lawful Good is not Good++, and ditto for Chaotic Evil.&nbsp; I suspect it'll be a twisty line instead of a wheel.&nbsp; And I don't think that's a bad thing.&nbsp; (I could do without alignment entirely, but this'll do.)Evil may be more *scary* if it's more organized, but that's because it's *less* evil, believe it or not.&nbsp; There is no such thing as &quot;pure evil&quot;;&nbsp; evil is a corrupted good, which is self-defeating.&nbsp; In anything with mixed good and evil elements, all the effectiveness comes from the good parts.What I'm hoping is that Lawful is defined not as &quot;organized&quot; or &quot;following a code&quot; but &quot;upholding society's (good, or at least indifferent) rules over one's own&quot;.&nbsp; As someone else said, there really isn't much of a difference between Neutral Good and Chaotic Good in practice.Whereas there likewise isn't much of a difference between Neutral Evil and Lawful Evil in practice.&nbsp; Both are simply out for the Main Chance.&nbsp; It's not like supposedly &quot;Lawful Evil&quot; individuals are that way out of principle!&nbsp; They've just found an effective way of getting what they want.&nbsp; If they follow a malignant code or law out of principle, not because it furthers their personal ends, they're probably unaligned.&quot;Chaotic Evil&quot; would presumably be for beings that go out of their way to do harm, even when it doesn't benefit them personally in any tangible way and may even harm them too.&nbsp; (Humans who are consistently like that are, thankfully, quite rare.)&nbsp; This doesn't make them &quot;more evil than Evil&quot; necessarily, just Evil and stupid.That's not &quot;Lawful Evil&quot;.&nbsp; That's just Evil that doesn't want to admit it.A few scruples to salve one's conscience do not an ethical axis make.Quoted, as they say, for truth.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="The Shadow, post: 4228069, member: 16760"] I suspect we'll find that Lawful Good is not Good++, and ditto for Chaotic Evil. I suspect it'll be a twisty line instead of a wheel. And I don't think that's a bad thing. (I could do without alignment entirely, but this'll do.) Evil may be more *scary* if it's more organized, but that's because it's *less* evil, believe it or not. There is no such thing as "pure evil"; evil is a corrupted good, which is self-defeating. In anything with mixed good and evil elements, all the effectiveness comes from the good parts. What I'm hoping is that Lawful is defined not as "organized" or "following a code" but "upholding society's (good, or at least indifferent) rules over one's own". As someone else said, there really isn't much of a difference between Neutral Good and Chaotic Good in practice. Whereas there likewise isn't much of a difference between Neutral Evil and Lawful Evil in practice. Both are simply out for the Main Chance. It's not like supposedly "Lawful Evil" individuals are that way out of principle! They've just found an effective way of getting what they want. If they follow a malignant code or law out of principle, not because it furthers their personal ends, they're probably unaligned. "Chaotic Evil" would presumably be for beings that go out of their way to do harm, even when it doesn't benefit them personally in any tangible way and may even harm them too. (Humans who are consistently like that are, thankfully, quite rare.) This doesn't make them "more evil than Evil" necessarily, just Evil and stupid. That's not "Lawful Evil". That's just Evil that doesn't want to admit it. A few scruples to salve one's conscience do not an ethical axis make. Quoted, as they say, for truth. [/QUOTE]

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