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<blockquote data-quote="Larrin" data-source="post: 4228570" data-attributes="member: 55816">...I'm pretty sure this has never happened in the real world, and the closest places to this are in pretty rough shape.&nbsp; This definition of freedom leads to a large breakdown of social infrastructure.&nbsp; If no one can &quot;force&quot; you not to steal, cheat, etc, then you can, and people will, and so since you can't force your neighbor not to steal from you, you either have to steal it back, fend him off, or let him prey upon you.&nbsp; None of these choices lead to a good situation.Sure its nice to think that nobody forcing you to do things means no substance restictions, marriage limitations, get a job/haircut, or whatever you personal 'freedom' cause is, but the absolute removal of it opens a very ugly box.&nbsp; True freedom, in my book, is when a person is free of their own selfish desires and willingly do what is best for others and the community. This is even more of a dream, but its a good goal none the less.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Larrin, post: 4228570, member: 55816"] ...I'm pretty sure this has never happened in the real world, and the closest places to this are in pretty rough shape. This definition of freedom leads to a large breakdown of social infrastructure. If no one can "force" you not to steal, cheat, etc, then you can, and people will, and so since you can't force your neighbor not to steal from you, you either have to steal it back, fend him off, or let him prey upon you. None of these choices lead to a good situation. Sure its nice to think that nobody forcing you to do things means no substance restictions, marriage limitations, get a job/haircut, or whatever you personal 'freedom' cause is, but the absolute removal of it opens a very ugly box. True freedom, in my book, is when a person is free of their own selfish desires and willingly do what is best for others and the community. This is even more of a dream, but its a good goal none the less. [/QUOTE]

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