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<blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 4229442" data-attributes="member: 4937"><p>I'd just like to point out that from the perspective of a CN character, there is little to no fundamental difference between any of the lawful alignments. All of them as far as a chaotic neutral character is likely to be concerned are dangerous annoying busybodies that will try to force thier beliefs on you. If you are chaotic neutral, one of the worst sins one can practice is trying to force your beliefs on someone else. Indeed, even believing that someone else ought to share your beliefs is seen by the CN as dangerous, misguided, and coersive. To the CN, 'fanaticism' is the source of the worlds evil. The CN believes that anyone who is subjecting his will and his identity to an idea, external code, or group is dangerous, irrational, and potentially violent. </p><p></p><p>Since beliefs that are based described in D&D terms as 'chaotic neutral' are widely accepted in some circles, it wouldn't be surprising to hear people commenting on the D&D alignment system from a CN bias.</p><p></p><p>I mean, IIRL I don't even believe 'law' or 'chaos' exist where as I take 'good' and 'evil' to be pointers to some Platonism address space of absolute reality. Likewise, I don't believe IIRL that there is actual neutral ground between 'good' and 'evil' just varying shades of increasing rightness and increasing wrongness and that neutrality is wholly staked out in that area of increasing wrongness. But these are my philosophical biases based on what I believe, and what I believe doesn't describe a nine bucket system at all. Nonetheless, I can see that various philosophies can be interestingly categorized by the D&D system and that other people can hold these beliefs in intellectually rigorous ways. So I try my best to not let my biases interfere with the classification scheme. If I did, it would create a scheme in which there was an alignment you were clearly 'supposed' to have, and beliefs that you were clearly supposed to hold and that would interfere with the sort of moral exploration a more open system allows.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Celebrim, post: 4229442, member: 4937"] I'd just like to point out that from the perspective of a CN character, there is little to no fundamental difference between any of the lawful alignments. All of them as far as a chaotic neutral character is likely to be concerned are dangerous annoying busybodies that will try to force thier beliefs on you. If you are chaotic neutral, one of the worst sins one can practice is trying to force your beliefs on someone else. Indeed, even believing that someone else ought to share your beliefs is seen by the CN as dangerous, misguided, and coersive. To the CN, 'fanaticism' is the source of the worlds evil. The CN believes that anyone who is subjecting his will and his identity to an idea, external code, or group is dangerous, irrational, and potentially violent. Since beliefs that are based described in D&D terms as 'chaotic neutral' are widely accepted in some circles, it wouldn't be surprising to hear people commenting on the D&D alignment system from a CN bias. I mean, IIRL I don't even believe 'law' or 'chaos' exist where as I take 'good' and 'evil' to be pointers to some Platonism address space of absolute reality. Likewise, I don't believe IIRL that there is actual neutral ground between 'good' and 'evil' just varying shades of increasing rightness and increasing wrongness and that neutrality is wholly staked out in that area of increasing wrongness. But these are my philosophical biases based on what I believe, and what I believe doesn't describe a nine bucket system at all. Nonetheless, I can see that various philosophies can be interestingly categorized by the D&D system and that other people can hold these beliefs in intellectually rigorous ways. So I try my best to not let my biases interfere with the classification scheme. If I did, it would create a scheme in which there was an alignment you were clearly 'supposed' to have, and beliefs that you were clearly supposed to hold and that would interfere with the sort of moral exploration a more open system allows. [/QUOTE]
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