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<blockquote data-quote="Mal Malenkirk" data-source="post: 4232422" data-attributes="member: 834"><p>In many of the harsher tales he outright assassinates key officials, including the Jolly 'Adventures of Robin Hood' with Erol Flynn (the gloss over that part but there is a montage that implies Robin Hood outright sniped a dozen officials). In most tales he attacks the sheriff officials and steals the taxes which the prince kind of need to maintain his army. These two type of actions are typical guerrilla. </p><p></p><p>In most tales he performs what amount to propaganda against John's regime. In all tales except those that didn't feature John at all (The eraliest ones), he hinders John's plan at every opportunity and helps Richard allies.</p><p></p><p>There is few version of the tale where he is simply a happy go lucky bandit that steals from the rich to give to the poor. In some of the earliest tale, there's no stealing from the poor, it's all about his war against the sheriff.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>That would make alignment meaningless.</p><p></p><p>You suggest he starts LG as a faithful servant of the king, he turns CG to oppose prince John and revert ot LG when the rightful king is restored? </p><p></p><p>Robin very much has the same internal compass before, during and after his outlaws days. It's not his morals that changed at these three junction in his life, it's the environment.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>''Good points''? This isn't a CRPG like NWN. And I don't care to comment about actions. I always commented about people. So I say a man won't help his sister because he is a GOOD man, he'll do so because he loves her. It's that simple. Does it make him good? No. Is he good? Perhaps, but this behaviour is irrelevant to determining whether he's good or not and no amount of insisting that the act itself is good will matter one bit in determining his alignment if it turns out the guy is also a mafia hitman.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The idea that Chaotic Evil would rise to fight against the Lawful Evil Nazis as a matter of principle is what I meant. Comic book morality. Blood war silliness. Not happening.</p><p></p><p>Millions of people fought in WW2 and yet I'd bet not a <em>single</em> person answering the 3e definition of CE enlisted to fight the nazis on the basis that his conscience told him he needed to strike down the fascist order. </p><p></p><p>Beside war profiteer, you want to know where you can find the most real life personalities that can be matched to the CE description? Not against the nazis, WITH the nazis. Some ot these SS were nothing short of madmen performing acts of wanton destruction that borders on caricature.</p><p></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>The result of the american revolution was the most thorough state of right (In other words, Lawful society) that the world had seen until that point in history.</p><p></p><p>Where do <em>you</em> think they fit in the Chaos / Lawful spectrum? </p><p></p><p>Forgetting about good and evil, I'd say most were neutral except the framers who were the definition of Lawful. There would have been a handful of chaotic but these would turn out to be sorely disappointed with the result seeing as the United states became more orderly after than before the revolution. They then proceeded to migrate west.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mal Malenkirk, post: 4232422, member: 834"] In many of the harsher tales he outright assassinates key officials, including the Jolly 'Adventures of Robin Hood' with Erol Flynn (the gloss over that part but there is a montage that implies Robin Hood outright sniped a dozen officials). In most tales he attacks the sheriff officials and steals the taxes which the prince kind of need to maintain his army. These two type of actions are typical guerrilla. In most tales he performs what amount to propaganda against John's regime. In all tales except those that didn't feature John at all (The eraliest ones), he hinders John's plan at every opportunity and helps Richard allies. There is few version of the tale where he is simply a happy go lucky bandit that steals from the rich to give to the poor. In some of the earliest tale, there's no stealing from the poor, it's all about his war against the sheriff. That would make alignment meaningless. You suggest he starts LG as a faithful servant of the king, he turns CG to oppose prince John and revert ot LG when the rightful king is restored? Robin very much has the same internal compass before, during and after his outlaws days. It's not his morals that changed at these three junction in his life, it's the environment. ''Good points''? This isn't a CRPG like NWN. And I don't care to comment about actions. I always commented about people. So I say a man won't help his sister because he is a GOOD man, he'll do so because he loves her. It's that simple. Does it make him good? No. Is he good? Perhaps, but this behaviour is irrelevant to determining whether he's good or not and no amount of insisting that the act itself is good will matter one bit in determining his alignment if it turns out the guy is also a mafia hitman. The idea that Chaotic Evil would rise to fight against the Lawful Evil Nazis as a matter of principle is what I meant. Comic book morality. Blood war silliness. Not happening. Millions of people fought in WW2 and yet I'd bet not a [I]single[/I] person answering the 3e definition of CE enlisted to fight the nazis on the basis that his conscience told him he needed to strike down the fascist order. Beside war profiteer, you want to know where you can find the most real life personalities that can be matched to the CE description? Not against the nazis, WITH the nazis. Some ot these SS were nothing short of madmen performing acts of wanton destruction that borders on caricature. The result of the american revolution was the most thorough state of right (In other words, Lawful society) that the world had seen until that point in history. Where do [I]you[/I] think they fit in the Chaos / Lawful spectrum? Forgetting about good and evil, I'd say most were neutral except the framers who were the definition of Lawful. There would have been a handful of chaotic but these would turn out to be sorely disappointed with the result seeing as the United states became more orderly after than before the revolution. They then proceeded to migrate west. [/QUOTE]
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