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<blockquote data-quote="Mal Malenkirk" data-source="post: 4237027" data-attributes="member: 834"><p>95% of snipers are soldiers and police officers. Granted, police officer snipers don't shoot government officials, but military ones do it in times of war. Pretty much like Robin Hood did. These guys aren't chaotic or the military system would have spat them out.</p><p></p><p>You have this mania of tagging alignmkent on actions with no concern for the context. Which result in you tagging 'Chaotic' characters who are clearly fighting for order.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>List those versions, please.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Robion Hood did what he did because his moral compass about what is right or wrong wouldn't change.</p><p></p><p>If his alignment changes before, during and after his rebellion, it cheapens his actions. Robin Hood's tale is never one of redemption.</p><p></p><p>He fought John's order not because order is wrong but because John was Evil. That's why he stopped fighting when richard took back the throne. Which wouldn't make sense if he was CHAOTIC fighting LAWFUL but makes perfect sense if he is GOOD fighting EVIL.</p><p></p><p>If Robin was truly chaotic, he would have stayed in the wood after Richard returned.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>In D&D terms, these people are unaligned/neutral. They are not doing actions contrary to their moral compass because truth is their internalized moral values are much weaker than what they express. </p><p></p><p>Most people only truly feel moral wrongness at the thought of the more extreme for depravities such as incest, murder or rape. It's easy to say you think tax evasion is harmful to the society, but noth that many people genuinely care. Even D&D recognize that most people are neutral/unaligned and therefore hardly ever violate their alignment since there is so little of it to violate.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Never said that. Said that one particular actions isn't indicative of a good alignment D&D terms. Never said once that no action is. </p><p></p><p>Take the mafia hitmen who protects his family. If his employers turn on him and he tries to save his family, does it make him good? No, it's just a biologic imperative. </p><p></p><p>If he reaches out to the family of a man he killed, tries to earn their forgiveness and to protect them from his employer who wants to youngest child to die because he is a witness in the upcoming tria,.is he good? Well, getting there. Because this attempt at redemption indicate an alignment shifting. Saving your family doesn't. It's expected.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Concerning the Sons of Liberty thing... I have no clue who they are and no interest in finding out which is why I didn't comment.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mal Malenkirk, post: 4237027, member: 834"] 95% of snipers are soldiers and police officers. Granted, police officer snipers don't shoot government officials, but military ones do it in times of war. Pretty much like Robin Hood did. These guys aren't chaotic or the military system would have spat them out. You have this mania of tagging alignmkent on actions with no concern for the context. Which result in you tagging 'Chaotic' characters who are clearly fighting for order. List those versions, please. Robion Hood did what he did because his moral compass about what is right or wrong wouldn't change. If his alignment changes before, during and after his rebellion, it cheapens his actions. Robin Hood's tale is never one of redemption. He fought John's order not because order is wrong but because John was Evil. That's why he stopped fighting when richard took back the throne. Which wouldn't make sense if he was CHAOTIC fighting LAWFUL but makes perfect sense if he is GOOD fighting EVIL. If Robin was truly chaotic, he would have stayed in the wood after Richard returned. In D&D terms, these people are unaligned/neutral. They are not doing actions contrary to their moral compass because truth is their internalized moral values are much weaker than what they express. Most people only truly feel moral wrongness at the thought of the more extreme for depravities such as incest, murder or rape. It's easy to say you think tax evasion is harmful to the society, but noth that many people genuinely care. Even D&D recognize that most people are neutral/unaligned and therefore hardly ever violate their alignment since there is so little of it to violate. Never said that. Said that one particular actions isn't indicative of a good alignment D&D terms. Never said once that no action is. Take the mafia hitmen who protects his family. If his employers turn on him and he tries to save his family, does it make him good? No, it's just a biologic imperative. If he reaches out to the family of a man he killed, tries to earn their forgiveness and to protect them from his employer who wants to youngest child to die because he is a witness in the upcoming tria,.is he good? Well, getting there. Because this attempt at redemption indicate an alignment shifting. Saving your family doesn't. It's expected. Concerning the Sons of Liberty thing... I have no clue who they are and no interest in finding out which is why I didn't comment. [/QUOTE]
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