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Message: <blockquote data-quote="VannATLC" data-source="post: 4237453" data-attributes="member: 60935">They *are* admirable.Just not as good people.Anytime somebody bucks the weight of social convention to do something they believe is necessary and correct, it is admirable. They don't have to be right. This ties into the issue of determining 'evil' and 'good', and hence basing value judgments on actions/intentions. You can only do it subjectively, and our minds run out of comprehension space after certain temporal factors.Doesn't mean I won't shoot them if I think it is ultimately harmful.Everything in your post smacks of absolutism, and that's ultimately something I cannot consciously argue with, because it, to me, is self-evidently false, and highly dependant on an external, stand-alone entity.If you have somebody who is unable to comprehend the medium-term consqeuences of their actions, or is unable to predict the potential actions of those otherwise affected by their initial actions.. what are they?They act in the moment, without regard to consequences. Are they good or evil? Who determines?Courage is a virtue, and is independant to other virtues.A collection of virtues is established to create behaviour that the originator of the system has decided is 'good'. Working towards those virtues is 'good' Never bad.</blockquote>