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<blockquote data-quote="Droop-in-soup" data-source="post: 7955080" data-attributes="member: 7022302">If you are saying we need to keep our roles separate, that advice has already found assent in me.&nbsp; If you mean not playing together anymore as a conclusion is the only option, that seems to go too far. That is something we would have to decide.&nbsp; To say it in a way I expect you would agree with:&nbsp; If things stay as they are, we should not continue to play together. I would agree with that.&nbsp; I find that change is the variable that has not been exhausted.&nbsp;&nbsp; We have not had the opportunity to see what would happen after we got clear on what our problems are.&nbsp; I find that a weakness in your argument.&nbsp;&nbsp; Your advice would stop the problem, but it wouldn't solve what underlies it.&nbsp; Learning might solve it.&nbsp; I haven't had a conversation or exchange with my friend who started the post, so the time for conclusions has not come. I think you may be responding to the fact that I am in a process and not inclined to close doors until the process includes an exchange with my friend.&nbsp; I want to add this: I can't agree with your assessment that any other answer is just trolling and validation.&nbsp; I would recognize a wish to learn in a more comprehensive way as another.&nbsp; And as I said above, the possibility of change you seem to ignore.&nbsp; Even if I 100% expected us to stop playing together, I would still engage for a time with the forum as certain questions get unpacked and related topics get me clear for a next step.&nbsp; If people are right and I started this process as a nightmare to DM for, I can't call it a success if I just walk away.&nbsp;&nbsp; And, I'm not sure seeking validation is purely inappropriate.&nbsp; Validation helps one see a landscape of who does what.&nbsp; On the other side, for learning, it isn't&nbsp; just the validation that is interesting, but the reason why validation isn't coming.&nbsp; When learning and progress have exhausted themselves in a situation is a time to move on, so long as no real harm is done to either party in the process.&nbsp;&nbsp; On my side, I make no claims to harm having been done to me.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Droop-in-soup, post: 7955080, member: 7022302"] If you are saying we need to keep our roles separate, that advice has already found assent in me. If you mean not playing together anymore as a conclusion is the only option, that seems to go too far. That is something we would have to decide. To say it in a way I expect you would agree with: If things stay as they are, we should not continue to play together. I would agree with that. I find that change is the variable that has not been exhausted. We have not had the opportunity to see what would happen after we got clear on what our problems are. I find that a weakness in your argument. Your advice would stop the problem, but it wouldn't solve what underlies it. Learning might solve it. I haven't had a conversation or exchange with my friend who started the post, so the time for conclusions has not come. I think you may be responding to the fact that I am in a process and not inclined to close doors until the process includes an exchange with my friend. I want to add this: I can't agree with your assessment that any other answer is just trolling and validation. I would recognize a wish to learn in a more comprehensive way as another. And as I said above, the possibility of change you seem to ignore. Even if I 100% expected us to stop playing together, I would still engage for a time with the forum as certain questions get unpacked and related topics get me clear for a next step. If people are right and I started this process as a nightmare to DM for, I can't call it a success if I just walk away. And, I'm not sure seeking validation is purely inappropriate. Validation helps one see a landscape of who does what. On the other side, for learning, it isn't just the validation that is interesting, but the reason why validation isn't coming. When learning and progress have exhausted themselves in a situation is a time to move on, so long as no real harm is done to either party in the process. On my side, I make no claims to harm having been done to me. [/QUOTE]

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