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I need a reason for a mass battle between giants and dragons
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<blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 6606274" data-attributes="member: 4937"><p>It entirely depends on what Dragons and Giants are in your campaign. </p><p></p><p>In my campaign Dragons are the physical personification of natural violence - earthquakes, volcanos, hurricanes, floods, etc. They are intelligent beings but their motivations wouldn't necessarily strike a human as rational because they don't have what humans would perceive to be a rational purpose. Mostly they horde wealth, sleep, and then occasionally unleash random periods of intense violence and destruction.</p><p></p><p>Giants on the other hand are the direct descendants of the Gods dalliances with powerful elemental lords, such as the rulers of the genies. They are basically demigods and have all the hubris of the same, though less races such as Hill Giants or Ogres are diluted (or polluted, depending on your perspective) with mortal blood and regarded as mongrels and slaves by the greater races. They form their own kingdoms, have their own quarrels, their own politics, their own interests, and are largely similar to mortals save on a grander scale. If giants go to war, it's for reasons similar to why mortals would go to war - gain wealth or land, avenge insults, defend themselves from perceived encroachment by powerful neighbors, subjugate lesser nations, and so forth. </p><p></p><p>So my answer would be something like, "Either the dragons have angered a giant nation by depridations, or else the dragons have something the giants want."</p><p></p><p>But in my case, because the stone giants and the cloud giants are children of dao and djinn respectively, the two quite literally hate each other more than anything else in the world. They consider each other completely and utterly offensive and indeed blasphemous. I can't imagine anything that would get the two to work together, nor would ever the Fire Giants march to war alongside the Storm Giants for any reason I can imagine. They'd go to war against each other in a heart beat if they could, but I can't imagine anything that would make them work together. If one was attacked by dragons, the other would respond, "Good." In sense, their realms are so far apart that its hard even to imagine what they would see as a mutual threat, and in general it wouldn't be dragons since the dragons themselves are typically divided up as allies of the different giant groups - white dragons with frost giants, red dragons with fire giants, blue dragons with cloud giants, sea dragons with storm giants, and so forth.</p><p></p><p>Work out who the actors are and what they want and the reasons will suggest themselves. Or even work back from your desired end state toward the question of what dragons and giants are with the purpose in mind of having them engage in a great battle with each other. Maybe giants in your world represent the forces of order and dragons the forces of chaos. Then its natural for these forces to occasionally clash.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Celebrim, post: 6606274, member: 4937"] It entirely depends on what Dragons and Giants are in your campaign. In my campaign Dragons are the physical personification of natural violence - earthquakes, volcanos, hurricanes, floods, etc. They are intelligent beings but their motivations wouldn't necessarily strike a human as rational because they don't have what humans would perceive to be a rational purpose. Mostly they horde wealth, sleep, and then occasionally unleash random periods of intense violence and destruction. Giants on the other hand are the direct descendants of the Gods dalliances with powerful elemental lords, such as the rulers of the genies. They are basically demigods and have all the hubris of the same, though less races such as Hill Giants or Ogres are diluted (or polluted, depending on your perspective) with mortal blood and regarded as mongrels and slaves by the greater races. They form their own kingdoms, have their own quarrels, their own politics, their own interests, and are largely similar to mortals save on a grander scale. If giants go to war, it's for reasons similar to why mortals would go to war - gain wealth or land, avenge insults, defend themselves from perceived encroachment by powerful neighbors, subjugate lesser nations, and so forth. So my answer would be something like, "Either the dragons have angered a giant nation by depridations, or else the dragons have something the giants want." But in my case, because the stone giants and the cloud giants are children of dao and djinn respectively, the two quite literally hate each other more than anything else in the world. They consider each other completely and utterly offensive and indeed blasphemous. I can't imagine anything that would get the two to work together, nor would ever the Fire Giants march to war alongside the Storm Giants for any reason I can imagine. They'd go to war against each other in a heart beat if they could, but I can't imagine anything that would make them work together. If one was attacked by dragons, the other would respond, "Good." In sense, their realms are so far apart that its hard even to imagine what they would see as a mutual threat, and in general it wouldn't be dragons since the dragons themselves are typically divided up as allies of the different giant groups - white dragons with frost giants, red dragons with fire giants, blue dragons with cloud giants, sea dragons with storm giants, and so forth. Work out who the actors are and what they want and the reasons will suggest themselves. Or even work back from your desired end state toward the question of what dragons and giants are with the purpose in mind of having them engage in a great battle with each other. Maybe giants in your world represent the forces of order and dragons the forces of chaos. Then its natural for these forces to occasionally clash. [/QUOTE]
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