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I need help with my Abyssal Campaign (Meeting Graz’zt) My players, stay out!
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<blockquote data-quote="The Serge" data-source="post: 373880" data-attributes="member: 4049"><p>I'm assuming that a "greater Succubus" is an advanced Succubus with levels perhaps?</p><p></p><p>It depends on the power-levels of the PCs. If they are low to mid-level (1-10th), I don't see Graz'zt meeting with them at all because it's unlikely they would have the power to back up any offer they would make. If he did meet with them, it would be through a subordinate, or he would meet with them for the explicit purpose of doing some sort of harm to them. Chances are he'd just send a Balor to collect the phylacteries (and kill the PCs).</p><p></p><p>If the PCs are mid-high levels (11th to 15th), I think he'd likely meet with them to see what they're about. Personally, I don't see him meeting with them directly only because he has more important things to do now (like killing the Liches now that he has their phylacteries and hunting down the Succubi). If anything, I see him sending a Neutral evil servant go between or a very trusted (blackmailable) Demon directing them to track down some of the weaker (hah!) Liches to prove their "sincerity," in return for killing the Succubi (who, I assume, Graz'zt plans on punishing anyway). This could turn into a high-level, long-term campaign.</p><p></p><p>If the PCs are already high to epic level, I would have Graz'zt establish a meeting, offering to see them in Azzagrat (his triple realm). They would be fools to do this IMO but since Graz'zt isn't as immediately dangerous as the other Princes, it would likely be relatively safe. Again, I think he would accept the offer if PCs proved themselves trustworthy. As a Demon, he's not really required to hold on to any part of any agreement, so the PCs should be prepared to find some way to make any deal stick. In this situation, I do see Graz'zt willing to expend some energy tracking down these Succubi. </p><p></p><p>Personally, I would make things even more interesting by having the Succubi working with the Demon Prince Orcus. Think about it... Succubi typically aren't into Undead matters, more interested in corrupting souls through pleasure and lust. Additionally, Succubi aren't typically that clever as to help mortals find such interesting loop-holes. I think these Succubi, interested in screwing their former master/lover would have approached or been approached by one of his greatest enemies. Orcus, as the Demon Prince of Undeath, would certainly have known of such a loop-hole in the agreement; however, considering who and what he is, many would balk at the idea of following his suggestions. Using a go-between to strip Graz'zt of this opportunity would simultaneously grant Orcus more power by having more Undead in existance, as well as stifle his hated foe's ascendancy. Perhaps now that the phylacteries have been destroyed, Orcus has sent out Demonic agents to protect the Liches from attack until he can find a way to get their souls from Graz'zt...?</p><p></p><p>Part of the issue is if Graz'zt knows that he now has access to the souls. I <em>think</em> that the destruction of a phylactery typically does not spell instant death for the Lich. The destruction allows the Lich to be permanently destroyed now that the phylactery is gone. Considering the intimacy of the arrangement Graz'zt had with the Liches, it would make sense to me if he did know that they were no susceptible to a direct attack. He may have sent out "hounds" to find the place where the souls were released, then track the PCs from that location for the other souls.</p><p></p><p>This is a great campaign you have here. Good luck with its resolution!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="The Serge, post: 373880, member: 4049"] I'm assuming that a "greater Succubus" is an advanced Succubus with levels perhaps? It depends on the power-levels of the PCs. If they are low to mid-level (1-10th), I don't see Graz'zt meeting with them at all because it's unlikely they would have the power to back up any offer they would make. If he did meet with them, it would be through a subordinate, or he would meet with them for the explicit purpose of doing some sort of harm to them. Chances are he'd just send a Balor to collect the phylacteries (and kill the PCs). If the PCs are mid-high levels (11th to 15th), I think he'd likely meet with them to see what they're about. Personally, I don't see him meeting with them directly only because he has more important things to do now (like killing the Liches now that he has their phylacteries and hunting down the Succubi). If anything, I see him sending a Neutral evil servant go between or a very trusted (blackmailable) Demon directing them to track down some of the weaker (hah!) Liches to prove their "sincerity," in return for killing the Succubi (who, I assume, Graz'zt plans on punishing anyway). This could turn into a high-level, long-term campaign. If the PCs are already high to epic level, I would have Graz'zt establish a meeting, offering to see them in Azzagrat (his triple realm). They would be fools to do this IMO but since Graz'zt isn't as immediately dangerous as the other Princes, it would likely be relatively safe. Again, I think he would accept the offer if PCs proved themselves trustworthy. As a Demon, he's not really required to hold on to any part of any agreement, so the PCs should be prepared to find some way to make any deal stick. In this situation, I do see Graz'zt willing to expend some energy tracking down these Succubi. Personally, I would make things even more interesting by having the Succubi working with the Demon Prince Orcus. Think about it... Succubi typically aren't into Undead matters, more interested in corrupting souls through pleasure and lust. Additionally, Succubi aren't typically that clever as to help mortals find such interesting loop-holes. I think these Succubi, interested in screwing their former master/lover would have approached or been approached by one of his greatest enemies. Orcus, as the Demon Prince of Undeath, would certainly have known of such a loop-hole in the agreement; however, considering who and what he is, many would balk at the idea of following his suggestions. Using a go-between to strip Graz'zt of this opportunity would simultaneously grant Orcus more power by having more Undead in existance, as well as stifle his hated foe's ascendancy. Perhaps now that the phylacteries have been destroyed, Orcus has sent out Demonic agents to protect the Liches from attack until he can find a way to get their souls from Graz'zt...? Part of the issue is if Graz'zt knows that he now has access to the souls. I [i]think[/i] that the destruction of a phylactery typically does not spell instant death for the Lich. The destruction allows the Lich to be permanently destroyed now that the phylactery is gone. Considering the intimacy of the arrangement Graz'zt had with the Liches, it would make sense to me if he did know that they were no susceptible to a direct attack. He may have sent out "hounds" to find the place where the souls were released, then track the PCs from that location for the other souls. This is a great campaign you have here. Good luck with its resolution! [/QUOTE]
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