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<blockquote data-quote="Nimloth" data-source="post: 5409253" data-attributes="member: 54068">Mission ImpossibleSo what you are asking is, &quot;How do I optimize to beat a DM who will create enemies with arbitrarily high stats, impossible abilities and immunities&quot;? You can't.&nbsp;&nbsp; Whatever you come up with, he can (and probably will) nerf.&nbsp; If you are dismissive of Radient Servant of Pelor, Divine Metamagic, Persist Spell, which is pretty much the Gold Standard of anti-undead clerical cheese, there isn't much else you can do.&nbsp; It sounds like a child's game of &quot;I hit you with my attack&quot;, &quot;No, my invisible force field stopped it&quot;, &quot;My attack goes through your force field&quot;, &quot;No it doesn't&quot;, &quot;Yes it does&quot;, ......&nbsp; There is no way to &quot;win&quot; against him unless he want's you to.&nbsp;&nbsp; So don't play his game.&nbsp; Don't take it seriously.&nbsp; Just make a character and photocopy it 50 times.&nbsp; Don't even give him a name, just call him Cleric.&nbsp; When the 1st 1 dies, pull out the next copy, write Cleric2 and continue playing.&nbsp; Dorkness Rising, funny movie.&nbsp;&nbsp; If that doesn't float your boat, just make a character for the fun of it.&nbsp; Just don't expect them to survive.&nbsp; Some random thoughts;- only play cliches - randomly assign stats/race/class/etc... - ask the DM to make your characterFrankly, how you described him, THIS DM doesn't know what he's doing.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Nimloth, post: 5409253, member: 54068"] [b]Mission Impossible[/b] So what you are asking is, "How do I optimize to beat a DM who will create enemies with arbitrarily high stats, impossible abilities and immunities"? You can't. Whatever you come up with, he can (and probably will) nerf. If you are dismissive of Radient Servant of Pelor, Divine Metamagic, Persist Spell, which is pretty much the [COLOR="Yellow"]Gold[/COLOR] Standard of anti-undead clerical cheese, there isn't much else you can do. It sounds like a child's game of "[COLOR="Red"]I hit you with my attack[/COLOR]", "[COLOR="SeaGreen"]No, my invisible force field stopped it[/COLOR]", "[COLOR="Red"]My attack goes through your force field[/COLOR]", "[COLOR="SeaGreen"]No it doesn't[/COLOR]", "[COLOR="Red"]Yes it does[/COLOR]", ...... There is no way to "win" against him unless he want's you to. So don't play his game. Don't take it seriously. Just make a character and photocopy it 50 times. Don't even give him a name, just call him Cleric. When the 1st 1 dies, pull out the next copy, write Cleric2 and continue playing. Dorkness Rising, funny movie. If that doesn't float your boat, just make a character for the fun of it. Just don't expect them to survive. Some random thoughts; - only play cliches - randomly assign stats/race/class/etc... - ask the DM to make your character Frankly, how you described him, THIS DM doesn't know what he's doing. [/QUOTE]

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