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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ThoughtBubble" data-source="post: 2589504" data-attributes="member: 9723">So, you're deciding that it should be an exception to the way that the entire rest of the game works for what reason? I mean, will saves can be boosted by magical means, special abilities, amazing wisdom and expierence. So can spellcasting (even that sorcerous innate stuff). Especially since history does have its share of 'seduction experts'.The DC on that depends. WHO IS THE GIRL ACROSS THE TABLE? WHAT AM I TRYING FOR? WHAT DOES SHE THINK OF ME? By seduce, do you mean "convince to go out on another date with" "Remain in favorable terms with by flirtation" "get a better cut of the dinner from the serving girl" "Convince to come into my room for some fun" "Have a lively conversation with" "Allow me to buy a drink" or "Leave a good impression on"? Also, is she an easily swayed farmgirl, a hard bitten ex-adventurer, or a princess? All of this has a HUGE impact on how difficult flirtation should be. Oh, and we are talking about flirtation/romance, not necessarrally seduction.A single, static DC, much like a single roll of the dice will lead towards single, static play. And we don't want static romances, do we?And a level 20 bard's people skills should be of the same legendary stuff that a level 20 wizard's spellslinging is at, so a mere 75% on the base case seems pretty low. The 20 bard should make Cassanova look like a drunkard trying at kareoke. Level 20 is hardly a good base case. Uh, so when did class skills become super powers now?And where did charm spells come into the conversation?</blockquote>

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