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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Sword of Spirit" data-source="post: 9758504" data-attributes="member: 6677017">After 1e they decided to ditch Tiamat as the ruler of Avernus, and I kind of get the impression it was more of a retcon than a transition of power.Then you get Bel firmly established. 3e lore says he actually rebelled against and took the throne from Zariel, apparently in the distant past. 2e doesn't name Zariel, but does seem to have the origin of the story.Then you get the Forgotten Realms that has no problem taking the D&D universe and messing up continuity, despite supposedly being within that continuity. (Well, 3e wasn't, so we can give them a pass there.) Apparently, their version has Zariel only showing up in Baator very recently (ie, shortly before the Spellplague, in the 1e time-line), and taking over from Bel.Well crap. 5e has leaned hard into the Forgotten Realms alternate continuity over the original, and I'm trying to decide what's true in my own multiverse, and it's a bit of a mess.My first reaction is to just go with previous lore (Zariel's been imprisoned for a very long time, Bel has been the ruler all this time). But...I have all this 5e stuff (Mordenkainen's Tome of Foes, Baldur's Gate: Descent into Avernus, Chains of Asmodeus) that I might want to use, and I'm not sure how much of a hassle it will be to reject the current version and still get use out of the material. Just ignoring the 5e lore on it isn't quite clicking with what I want to do on this particular issue either.So, for those well-versed in all of these things, what sort of creative ideas might you suggest? Any neat ways to spin the lore together better? Some explanation for the contradictions (from a planar perspective when you can actually meet these folks, not just from some people on the Prime philosophizing)?By the way, a fun and unrelated tidbit I came across while I was collecting all this Baator material. Apparently Mephistopheles launched a fake coup, disguised himself, and took over his own throne. That's the clever way they explained how the Lord of the Eighth in 2e was Baron Molikroth without having to have a bunch of turnover.</blockquote>

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