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I played my first PF2e game this week. Here's why I'm less inclined to play again.
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<blockquote data-quote="The-Magic-Sword" data-source="post: 9742429" data-attributes="member: 6801252"><p>A lot of the AOE spells do pretty well against single bosses too, strictly speaking single target spells are better but you can't always get them at the perfect level and perfect scaling (since Paizo doesn't grid fill spells that way)-- the line spells are generally pretty close. Chain Lightning is the sixth rank to beat (there might be a better one... but you can force chain lightning to be friendly), and it matches upcasted sudden bolt at the same level which is an outlier at the level you get it, disintegrate on the arcane list at the same rank is actually better single target values but has two rolls so is a little sussy. </p><p></p><p>If we compare, damage wise, 340 HP is high for level 15 when you get 6th ranks at 12, full average damage for a single chain lightning (counting your sorcerous potency) is 58, which is 17%, or 8.5% if on a successful save, even if it succeeds all three times, you'll have done 25% of a bulky enemy's HP casting chain lightning each turn, before factoring in third actions (like a bespell strike bowshot or an elemental toss, or the net effect of your demoralize, or whatever.) A single fail brings that up substantially (but i partially calced it this way since fail and crit success have the same odds on the moderate save, so it's a wash, but that's also before debuffs.) </p><p></p><p>Pretty good if you're a fourth of the party.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="The-Magic-Sword, post: 9742429, member: 6801252"] A lot of the AOE spells do pretty well against single bosses too, strictly speaking single target spells are better but you can't always get them at the perfect level and perfect scaling (since Paizo doesn't grid fill spells that way)-- the line spells are generally pretty close. Chain Lightning is the sixth rank to beat (there might be a better one... but you can force chain lightning to be friendly), and it matches upcasted sudden bolt at the same level which is an outlier at the level you get it, disintegrate on the arcane list at the same rank is actually better single target values but has two rolls so is a little sussy. If we compare, damage wise, 340 HP is high for level 15 when you get 6th ranks at 12, full average damage for a single chain lightning (counting your sorcerous potency) is 58, which is 17%, or 8.5% if on a successful save, even if it succeeds all three times, you'll have done 25% of a bulky enemy's HP casting chain lightning each turn, before factoring in third actions (like a bespell strike bowshot or an elemental toss, or the net effect of your demoralize, or whatever.) A single fail brings that up substantially (but i partially calced it this way since fail and crit success have the same odds on the moderate save, so it's a wash, but that's also before debuffs.) Pretty good if you're a fourth of the party. [/QUOTE]
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