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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Acid_crash" data-source="post: 1858170" data-attributes="member: 16278">I like this thread, reading what publishers and game writers are saying in response to what some gamers have complained about for a while now, and will continue to complain about, if only because complaining is so easy and acceptance of the situation and how the industry is is rather hard to do.I hope you all don't mind a response from a simple gamer who plays the game for the simple fun of it, and traditionally buys products simply because I enjoy reading the various products and to see what cool ideas many of you writers put down on paper for us to mine ideas from.  Kudos to any writer who gets published, and Congrats!However, I am a simple gamer, and I have simple gamer paychecks (errr, rather lacking paychecks at the moment, but a job interview in a couple days could alleviate that problem. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />  ).  Okay, as for the SW Miniatures book... 98 pages for 30 bucks, that makes the WEG d6 Fantasy of 30 bucks seem mighty reasonable right now, doesn't it?  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />  No thank you WotC.I am a gamer, and when I had a paycheck, I bought products pretty much randomly because gaming is my hobby (not Magic, Warhammer, or video games...I enjoy them and do buy them, but my favorite is roleplaying games).  I tend to avoid WotC because I want to see other companies succeed and many of them put out some mighty fine gaming material that non-WotC D&Dgamers wouldn't even look twice at simply because WotC did NOT publish the book and distribute the material in the product. That is a very important concept, and one that many people understand.  I mean, if we did compare products across the industry fairly then Dungeons and Dragons wouldn't be the dominant cash cow it is today.  Let's compare quality (and using the term quality is a purely subjective term, what's good quality to me might not be for you, so take this with a grain of salt).  We have the core books from WotC for D&D: for a player - $30; for a DM - minimum $90 and not including any real good guidelines on how to create or make your own adventures or campaign worlds (personally, the DMG is the worst book written).  WEG - $30 and get a complete system, no other book needed.  M&M - $32.95 and get a complete system, no other book needed.  World of Darkness - $20.  EQ 1 PHB - $30 for a 400 page full color product.  EQ 2 PHB - $30 (I think, it's not out and could be wrong but from what I read this PHB will be really damn cool).  Talialanta - $40 for a 500 page rpg book, including GM and Monster Manual and campaign setting (probably one of the best values in gaming that is way way overlooked).  Rifts - $25 with rules and game world and monster manual in core book (all other books optional).  Gurps - 40 characters book, 35 campaign book (75 for GMs, and that's all you really need).I mean, other games are out there, written by other companies, and the majority of them are really good games.  I am a gamer, and I will play just about all of them, but I am a minority.  The majority of gamers who frequent these particular boards are strickly D&D fans, and the majority of gamers I have met in my life (including living in germany, japan, louisiana, and oregon) are D&D fans who have no clue that this website even exists.  They play D&D because of name recognition, fan support, and it's traditionally the one that gets the most people in the door.  I walk into my FLGS, in there is a new customer asking what game he should buy his kid, clerk always (and I mean ALWAYS suggests D&D, customer buys D&D without seeing other games).  It's sad.I know, it sucks.  If a person does not write for D&D (or White Wolf or SJG), then you are a brave person and you deserve all the kudos in the world, if only because your chances of becoming a success are very small.  Consider this a partial rant, partial expose on how a simple gamer sees things from his neck of the world (and it's a pretty small neck  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />  ).  I can only speak my opinion, but the bottom line fact is that WotC can charge what they do because they have D&D locked up, and people will buy their books and look at their books before any other books are even considered.  At least, that's how it is where I live.  I'm sorry for non WotC publishers around here, our FLGS has not sold a single copy of any rpg product from Green Ronin, Mongoose, Guardians of Order, Herogames, and Palladium in the last month.  (I asked them yesterday, saying I was doing a servey on games that sold, the only ones that sold were WotC and White Wolf, and a couple Gurps, and surprisingly 5 copies of Fireborn phb...and that book has some errors in it).  In the end, prices are high, I don't care, just give me a damn product I can use and enjoy and I am a happy camper.  And make it an enjoyable read (my wife dislikes reading most because, to her, they do read like text books).</blockquote>

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