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<blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 8726914" data-attributes="member: 18"><p>Like Dazzling Display above - it applies Shaken, which is a relatively weak compulsion - <a href="https://www.d20pfsrd.com/gamemastering/conditions/" target="_blank">Conditions – d20PFSRD</a></p><p></p><p>But I'd use relatively weak more broadly - both meaning "applying weaker conditions" and "having lower DCs". I.e. where a Wizard might have INT mod + Prof bonus + 8 DC, the "social" one might only go Stat mod + Prof bonus (if applicable) + 4 DC or something.</p><p></p><p>I'm sorry, but nothing you've written so far is particularly compelling re: ruling this out entirely, and the mere fact that there's a lot of it doesn't give it any weight at all, otherwise the sort of 5000-word megaposts I used to drop would have to be accepted as super-compelling and not "TLDR" as people tended to respond lol.</p><p></p><p>I don't even know what you're talking about here - this is a confusingly odd claim. WoD, loads of PtbA and FitD stuff, Spire/Heart, and others have this sort of thing. Pathfinder 1E (and I believe 2E) has tons of Feats and so on that allow the codified infliction of conditions via social skills - Dazzling Display and Cornugon Smash come immediately to mind.</p><p></p><p>And you asserting Exalted is "broken" doesn't mean Exalted actually is "broken" (though if we're talking 2E I definitely agree that edition was nothing but a mess). Maybe the issue is that it was the early 2000s? Almost all the examples I can think of are post-2008, except WoD.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ruin Explorer, post: 8726914, member: 18"] Like Dazzling Display above - it applies Shaken, which is a relatively weak compulsion - [URL='https://www.d20pfsrd.com/gamemastering/conditions/']Conditions – d20PFSRD[/URL] But I'd use relatively weak more broadly - both meaning "applying weaker conditions" and "having lower DCs". I.e. where a Wizard might have INT mod + Prof bonus + 8 DC, the "social" one might only go Stat mod + Prof bonus (if applicable) + 4 DC or something. I'm sorry, but nothing you've written so far is particularly compelling re: ruling this out entirely, and the mere fact that there's a lot of it doesn't give it any weight at all, otherwise the sort of 5000-word megaposts I used to drop would have to be accepted as super-compelling and not "TLDR" as people tended to respond lol. I don't even know what you're talking about here - this is a confusingly odd claim. WoD, loads of PtbA and FitD stuff, Spire/Heart, and others have this sort of thing. Pathfinder 1E (and I believe 2E) has tons of Feats and so on that allow the codified infliction of conditions via social skills - Dazzling Display and Cornugon Smash come immediately to mind. And you asserting Exalted is "broken" doesn't mean Exalted actually is "broken" (though if we're talking 2E I definitely agree that edition was nothing but a mess). Maybe the issue is that it was the early 2000s? Almost all the examples I can think of are post-2008, except WoD. [/QUOTE]
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