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<blockquote data-quote="Maxperson" data-source="post: 8727027" data-attributes="member: 23751"><p>It's different with magic. Relatively few NPCs have those spells, but everyone can talk to people. Not to mention, if we could just talk and charm/dominate people, what's the point of those spells? There's also a reason why cults go after people who are of certain mindsets that are open to manipulation, and why they are generally very small(it's hard to find lots of those people).</p><p></p><p>Yeah. Maybe. Think of internet scams and other ploys. There's a reason why they are mostly successful at scamming the elderly who tend not to think as clearly as those who are younger. </p><p></p><p>So you set all of that up and the king calls his wizard advisor to confirm your story with magic and other planar information, and the cleric to verify the truth by having you all speak under a zones of truth separately and then confirm the story. Or maybe you get lucky and the king is 90 years old, not mentally all there, and he falls for it.</p><p></p><p>In any case, the king is not a PC and doesn't have agency which you are stealing via social skills. Social skills by the way, which the 5e DMG strongly implies do not work on PCs, and which Crawford confirmed don't work on PCs.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Maxperson, post: 8727027, member: 23751"] It's different with magic. Relatively few NPCs have those spells, but everyone can talk to people. Not to mention, if we could just talk and charm/dominate people, what's the point of those spells? There's also a reason why cults go after people who are of certain mindsets that are open to manipulation, and why they are generally very small(it's hard to find lots of those people). Yeah. Maybe. Think of internet scams and other ploys. There's a reason why they are mostly successful at scamming the elderly who tend not to think as clearly as those who are younger. So you set all of that up and the king calls his wizard advisor to confirm your story with magic and other planar information, and the cleric to verify the truth by having you all speak under a zones of truth separately and then confirm the story. Or maybe you get lucky and the king is 90 years old, not mentally all there, and he falls for it. In any case, the king is not a PC and doesn't have agency which you are stealing via social skills. Social skills by the way, which the 5e DMG strongly implies do not work on PCs, and which Crawford confirmed don't work on PCs. [/QUOTE]
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