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<blockquote data-quote="Maxperson" data-source="post: 8727749" data-attributes="member: 23751">Those rules were also I presume known to the players and agreed to in advance.&nbsp; Agreement like that renders something that would remove agency in another game okay in the one being agreed to.I don't think there's really an answer to this.&nbsp; Someone might not view one as meaningfully different than the other, you view them as similar, but different, and a third person might see a profound difference.&nbsp; How I personally view it is similar to how you view it. If I choose to have my PC die holding off a horde of orcs in a narrow ravine so the others can escape, that means more to me than an uncontrolled death, but not so much more that I don't want the risk of uncontrolled death to be gone.How does this &quot;I wouldn't use it for coerced behavior as often...&quot; not imply that he would sometimes use it for coerced behavior?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Maxperson, post: 8727749, member: 23751"] Those rules were also I presume known to the players and agreed to in advance. Agreement like that renders something that would remove agency in another game okay in the one being agreed to. I don't think there's really an answer to this. Someone might not view one as meaningfully different than the other, you view them as similar, but different, and a third person might see a profound difference. How I personally view it is similar to how you view it. If I choose to have my PC die holding off a horde of orcs in a narrow ravine so the others can escape, that means more to me than an uncontrolled death, but not so much more that I don't want the risk of uncontrolled death to be gone. How does this "[B]I wouldn't use it for coerced behavior as often..." [/B]not imply that he would sometimes use it for coerced behavior? [/QUOTE]

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